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michaelantoi
01-09-2007, 08:16 AM
Villain is 35/10/1

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $97.70
Hero: $49.95
CO: $136.25
Button: $52.85
SB: $48.70
BB: $49.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, CO calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $97.7</font>, Hero??

michaelantoi
01-09-2007, 08:18 AM
[censored], i just realised....misclick?

Rochus
01-09-2007, 08:26 AM
lol when this happens it is SO read dependend if I call this or not. I've seen villains do this with Aces, I've seen them do this with absolutely nothing. Without reads I probebly fold this because I'm chicken /images/graemlins/tongue.gif although you are ahead to all hands except Aces and Kings... Leak in my game?

Everlong
01-09-2007, 08:27 AM
I'd err on the side of caution and fold.

He has a low raise percentage and this may be the worst L/RR ever but meh...

Villain shows AA here an awful lot.

jk1986
01-09-2007, 08:59 AM
I find this can also be JJ and AK a lot too, I take it you haven't seem him try this move on someone else yet?

Genz
01-09-2007, 09:02 AM
how have you been playing lately? Lots of light raising and stuff? How has he been playing lately? With 10 PFR his range is too narrow that you can hope to see JJ or AQ here. Maybe a scared AK, maybe a bluff because he is annoyed of being raised when he limps. When I don't know, then I fold.

ama0330
01-09-2007, 09:03 AM
Looks to me like he was trying to raise to 10 and got 100 instead. Still, I hate going in with queens so I fold. Having said that, if you feel like you are ahead of his normal 3bet range, then call. Whether or not this is the case depends on your reads, but I'm pretty sure this is a mistype.

kitchma
01-09-2007, 12:06 PM
Even if this is a misclick, we are behind the most obvious hands that villain will typically 3-bet (AA &amp; KK) and a coin flip with AK. He could be 3-betting light or a smaller PP, but without a read I would just fold this; besides we only have 2.25 in the pot and there is no reason to go broke here.

rael
01-09-2007, 12:33 PM
If he wants the $3 that bad, I let him have it.

Khabbi
01-09-2007, 12:44 PM
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If he wants the $3 that bad, I let him have it.

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Queens are usually no better than Jacks, sevens or twos in this sitatuation. You'll have a better chance of making money in better sitatutions. You don't have to rely on the small edges like this for your entire stack.

Unknown Soldier
01-09-2007, 01:07 PM
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Queens are usually no better than Jacks, sevens or twos in this sitatuation.

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uhh... yeah they are

ADK
01-09-2007, 01:10 PM
i'd fold here, ive seen AA/KK and AK in this situation a load of times, but its pretty read dependant i guess

optimus_prime
01-09-2007, 01:10 PM
foooooooooold. without a very solid read.

subzero
01-09-2007, 01:11 PM
Read dependent. This is an insta-call against some villains. But others will LRR KK or AA here. Without a read, I fold and watch him carefully. If he's a maniac, he'll do it again and you'll have some info. on him.

silly_monkey
01-09-2007, 01:12 PM
Unless I have a read that villain is making plays like this, I'm dumping it here pretty much always. Once in a while you fold the best hand, but meh... small pot and all. There are definitely some players who I would play for stacks with in this spot, but as I said I'd need a read.

TheCutter
01-09-2007, 02:05 PM
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[censored], i just realised....misclick?

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How do you missclick all-in?

Antinome
01-09-2007, 02:12 PM
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You don't have to rely on the small edges like this for your entire stack.

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That's wrong twice. You don't have a small edge with this vs. a normal range but if you did you should back it with your stack.