Finally! Out of a one month 22 buy-in downswing

[professor76]

Hi all,

I'm sure many SNG players have experienced this, the dreaded prolonged one month downswing .

After one year of playing, this is probably the longest one so far.

At one point of time, I was down 22 SNG buy-ins. Took me 327 games to recover. Below are stats for the Full Tilt $6.50 Turbos

No of Games: 200
Invested: $1300
Returns: $1172.20
Profit/Loss: -$122.80 (approx -19 buy ins)
ROI: -9.44%
Remarks: Feeling lousy, 2 weeks, 200 games with a loss! Thank goodness for rakeback


No of Games: 327
Invested: $2125.50
Returns: $2149.00
Profit/Loss: $23.50
ROI: It's positive, finally!
Remarks: The one-month downswing is over! Relief, confidence, no more questioning if I can beat the $6.50 Turbos.

Brag: Last 50 games
Invested: $325
Returns: $432
Profit: $107
ROI: 32.92%


But seriously...is a 22 buy-in downswing common??

[edfurlong]

Pretty common for most players.

[Xyven]

Not in $6.5 sngs, no. Fish.

[CaptainBusto]

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[professor76]

Xyven, are you saying at $6.50 stakes, it is impossible to have a one month, 22 buy-in downswing? That's what I thought initially, as I've been playing for more than a year with decent results at $6.50. Below are the overall stats for Full Tilt $6.50.

No of games: 1176
Invested: $7644.00
Returns: $8434.60
Profits: $790.60
ROI: Slightly more than 10% (Was running at 13-15% before this downswing)

But seriously, I couldn't believe some of the suck-outs during this one month...set loses to straight, flush loses to full house, AA loses to KK when K flops, etc..

[professor76]

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Which have been my side income for over a year, helping me pay for mobile phone bills, credit card bills....donkaments rule! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[edfurlong]

I hope you've been 75 tabling.

[bones]

[ QUOTE ]
Hi all,

I'm sure many SNG players have experienced this, the dreaded prolonged one month downswing .

After one year of playing, this is probably the longest one so far.

At one point of time, I was down 22 SNG buy-ins. Took me 327 games to recover. Below are stats for the Full Tilt $6.50 Turbos

No of Games: 200
Invested: $1300
Returns: $1172.20
Profit/Loss: -$122.80 (approx -19 buy ins)
ROI: -9.44%
Remarks: Feeling lousy, 2 weeks, 200 games with a loss! Thank goodness for rakeback


No of Games: 327
Invested: $2125.50
Returns: $2149.00
Profit/Loss: $23.50
ROI: It's positive, finally!
Remarks: The one-month downswing is over! Relief, confidence, no more questioning if I can beat the $6.50 Turbos.

Brag: Last 50 games
Invested: $325
Returns: $432
Profit: $107
ROI: 32.92%


But seriously...is a 22 buy-in downswing common??

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Are you the professor from the sng videos? If so, the fact that you are only down 22 buyins is amazing.

[professor76]

No, I am not that professor from those videos. I am aware that he plays as professor76 on pokerstars and once, I met professor77 on Full Tilt which is him. Not me.

[effinA]

y do ppl still play these......theres no way the 109s an up can even be profitable anymore

[professor76]

Because they are...fun?

[SirArthur]

Finally! Out of a one month 22 buy-in downswing

Suicide watch officially over.

Oh wait N/M, these are $6 Turbo donkaments.

[Teetster]

If you moved up to $11's or $22's you would have gotten out sooner. Why are you only playing $6.50's? Turbo's no less? That seems like a lot of work and frustration to make very little $.

[durkahdurkah]

professor,
if you aren't running at like 25%-30% or so ROI at this level you likely have some glaring leaks that need to be corrected.

[professor76]

Thanks for all for your replies. As for why I have not moved up, well I've used most of my profits in poker to pay for daily expenses: mobile phone bills, internet bills, credit card bills, etc. Now attempting to build a serious bankroll so I can move up to $11+$1 turbos next.

Playing turbos is a personal choice, feel it's more $/hr though much more variance and luck in short run

durkahdurkah, I'm 4-tabling, sometimes 5-tabling. So I should be getting 25-30% ROI long term at these low level SNGs? Does everyone else agree, that 10-15% is way too low for a low buy-ins SNG multi-tabler?

[T50_Omaha8]

I'm 25% ROI over nearly 400 games in the PLO8 turbos (mainly $3, since $6 don't run that much) I've been playing since I grew sick of LO8 cash games. I've had a streak of 18 out of the $$$ over this period, and swung down over 22 buy ins. PLO8 turbos with retarded people is quite possibly the highest variance type of poker around, though.

[Gildwulf]

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No, I am not that professor from those videos. I am aware that he plays as professor76 on pokerstars and once, I met professor77 on Full Tilt which is him. Not me.

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so is he like your upgraded model or something

[durkahdurkah]

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I'm 4-tabling, sometimes 5-tabling. So I should be getting 25-30% ROI long term at these low level SNGs? Does everyone else agree, that 10-15% is way too low for a low buy-ins SNG multi-tabler?

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4-tabling you should still be able to eek out 20-25% at least, and I don't think 30% is at all a pipe dream. that is, unless SNGs have gotten significantly harder in the time since I last focused on them, but at the $6.50 level, I highly doubt this is the case. Your ROI goes even higher if you play regs, but as you said, your $/hr may suffer.

This may be a question better posed in STTF, as I somehow doubt BBV is the best place to be looking for (serious) answers.

And consider playing some at Stars when you move up. The 15+1's have a superior rake structure and are still full of retards.

[Dan87]

why play the turbos are you just hoping to go on a luckbox streak?

[UMTerp]

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why play the turbos are you just hoping to go on a luckbox streak?

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The general consensus is that for a good SNG player, your ROI may not be quite as high at the Turbos, but the increased volume because of the quicker games makes you more money (per hour or whatever).