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HoldenFoldem

01-07-2007, 04:15 PM

I thought about posting in BBV but would like some strategy input here, and BBV is not for that purpose. I know i COULLD have reraise d with the AA hands, but chose not to. I often do, as you will see in the KK hand. Anyway, flame away. ty
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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($94.35)
MP ($135.58)
CO ($109.07)
Hero ($97)
SB ($74)
BB ($134.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($21.50) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $12, MP calls $12.

River: ($45.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP bets $24, Hero calls $24.

Final Pot: $93.50

MP has Ad Qc (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has Ac As (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP wins $93.50. 

I called because he had only 2 outs if i was truly beat.

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saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($132.80)
Button ($137)
SB ($94.20)
BB ($41.86)
Hero ($98.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls $1, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $2, BB folds, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($7) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4.

River: ($19) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $59

SB has 8h 8d (straight, nine high).
Hero has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins $59. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($100.85)
MP ($57.25)
CO ($63.74)
Hero ($147.55)
SB ($65.45)
BB ($85.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP calls $1, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, MP calls $8, CO calls $6.

Flop: ($28.50) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $20, MP calls $57.25 (All-In), CO calls $48.25, Hero calls $28.25.
 I can't believe CO calls this bet ????

Turn: ($182.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $63.74 (All-In).

River: ($253.99) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $253.99

MP has 9d 9h (flush, ten high).
CO has 6c 5c (straight, six high).
Hero has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP wins $173.25. CO wins $25. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($126.80)
UTG ($112.45)
MP ($50)
Button ($99.50)
Hero ($117.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP posts a blind of $1.50. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG calls $3, MP folds.

Turn: ($13.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $9, BB calls $9, UTG raises to $27, Hero calls $18, BB folds.

River: ($76.50) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $25, Hero calls $25.

Final Pot: $126.50

UTG has 5h 4h (straight, seven high).
Hero has 7h Ah (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: UTG wins $126.50. 

I'm getting killed by gut shots today it seems to me, and i don't factor them in to the hand, as they are so unlikely....thoughts??

orange

01-07-2007, 04:23 PM

AA hand is played poorly all around, I'm sure you know why. RR pf, etc etc.

second AA hand wtf. raise pf, jesus.

KK hand is goot.

A7s hand, i think you played it fine...i dont know if i can fold river given that bet size.

EddieRooo

01-07-2007, 04:26 PM

1. I don't understand why you are intending to flat call AA all the way. Surely knowing that you should have reraised answers your question. (If I did call AA pf I would raise the flop)

2. Not even a raise this time? I don't think trying to limp reraise AA is a good idea at 6max. The river is an easy fold.

3. theres obviously nothing wrong with this (bar not raising enough preflop)

4. I would deffo raise a7s here especially with the MP poster. The problem is that you've now facing a big raise in a limped pot so a set seems pretty likely. Not sure there is much you can do about it though.

Abramovic

01-07-2007, 04:27 PM

Yea first two hands are bad. You really want to play a limped pot with AA in hand 2?

Hands 3 and 4 are just coolers

Nielsio

01-07-2007, 04:32 PM

microplnl

HoldenFoldem

01-07-2007, 04:42 PM

Thanks guys. After reading your input and then looking at the hands again, i have come to realize that i am SLOWPLAYING the AAs. I know slow playing is bad. I'm trying to not do that.

What throws me off is that virtually all authors Doyle, Harrington, etc recomment limping in 20% of the time with them to insure your play does not become too predictable.

The problem i now see, it that after i limp in I am still SLOW PLAYING them. i won't do that again...or at least i'll try not to. ....

Do i have that about right, or am i missing a point or two here yet on the AAs????

AE6

01-07-2007, 04:42 PM

did you really bet 8 dollars on the turn in hand 3? if so....hahahahahaha.

AE6

01-07-2007, 04:43 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks guys. After reading your input and then looking at the hands again, i have come to realize that i am SLOWPLAYING the AAs. I know slow playing is bad. I'm trying to not do that.

What throws me off is that virtually all authors Doyle, Harrington, etc recomment limping in 20% of the time with them to insure your play does not become too predictable.

The problem i now see, it that after i limp in I am still SLOW PLAYING them. i won't do that again...or at least i'll try not to. ....

Do i have that about right, or am i missing a point or two here yet on the AAs????

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screw the authors, raise AA EVERY TIME in online ssnl games.

Abramovic

01-07-2007, 04:44 PM

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did you really bet 8 dollars on the turn in hand 3? if so....hahahahahaha.

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I think he's putting his 8 remaining dollars into the pot.

EddieRooo

01-07-2007, 04:47 PM

At 6 max I would raise every single time. You don't have to worry at all about deception and you will (or should) be raising a lot of other non AA hands from EP so its not like they can put you on a big hand.

HoldenFoldem

01-07-2007, 04:50 PM

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did you really bet 8 dollars on the turn in hand 3? if so....hahahahahaha.

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Actually i did but this is a converter error. $8 was all he had left.

HoldenFoldem

01-07-2007, 11:12 PM

Please see the "SEQuel" posted in about 5 minutes, played same day, all today actually; entitled:
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"thankyaverymuch...."

Fistdantilus

01-07-2007, 11:49 PM

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What throws me off is that virtually all authors Doyle, Harrington, etc recomment limping in 20% of the time with them to insure your play does not become too predictable.

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You do realize that the games they are suggesting this for are NOT online SSNL 6-max, right? In our games, you won't be playing with the same opponents long enough for them to pick up on intracacies like this, plus you need cover for your other hands. 4-bet someone *once*, and they remember it for the entire session.

HoldenFoldem

01-08-2007, 12:03 AM

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What throws me off is that virtually all authors Doyle, Harrington, etc recomment limping in 20% of the time with them to insure your play does not become too predictable.

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You do realize that the games they are suggesting this for are NOT online SSNL 6-max, right? In our games, you won't be playing with the same opponents long enough for them to pick up on intracacies like this, plus you need cover for your other hands. 4-bet someone *once*, and they remember it for the entire session.

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brunson is addressing himself to a "Good players" audience meaning $1000/2000NL. or better.

Harrington addresses a tournament audience.

So you are right, its not like 6max $100 NL.

I don't understand clearly what you mean by having the "once" in asterisks in the last sentence. Are you saying that if i 4bet once with AA and show it down that i can't do that again at that table for that session, because everyone will read it for the same play????....

ty