Was this pre flop call good bad or just plain ugly? [Archive]

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NL__Fool

01-07-2007, 02:57 AM

I'm switching from limit to no limit and I am still trying to get the hang of this.

I was yelled at in the chat for about 5 minutes after this hand for the call I made preflop.

Whats the standard line here against an unknown preflop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($125.90)
MP2 ($63.95)
MP3 ($195.65)
CO ($98.50)
Button ($44.65)
SB ($60.75)
BB ($43.10)
Hero ($164.10)
UTG+1 ($98.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $10, 4 folds, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($21.50) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $14, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($49.50) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $47, MP3 raises to $171.65, Hero calls $93.10 (All-In).

River: ($361.25) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $361.25

Results in white below: 
Hero has Td Jd (flush, jack high).
MP3 has As Ac (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $329.70. MP3 wins $31.55. 

My inital preflop raise of $2 was a mistake I meant for it to be $4

Praetor

01-07-2007, 02:58 AM

its not horrible, espec given stacks.

Claunchy

01-07-2007, 03:01 AM

Yeah, it's marginal but not bad. Villain's just a whiny bitch probably.

ChubNub

01-07-2007, 03:09 AM

How do you call TJdd here, when in your other post you folded JJ?

novel20

01-07-2007, 03:16 AM

Good play. Your miniraise actually helped you. And it is great that your opponent is a very poor player.

NL__Fool

01-07-2007, 03:17 AM

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How do you call TJdd here, when in your other post you folded JJ?

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Because they were sooooted!!!

But seriously I was under the impression that suited connectors were ok to call preflop vs large stacks.

In the other hand villain only had about $50 left after he 3 bet me preflop.

I'm a limit donk

Claunchy

01-07-2007, 03:17 AM

He's deeper here and he has a hand that plays better postflop.

In other words, assume villain in both hands has AA. With JJ and 70 BB eff. stacks, he's not getting odds to hit a set, and there really aren't too many ways his hand can improve.

Here, he has JTs w/ 160 BB stacks. Assuming he's smart enough not to put money in just hitting a pair, he's got great implied odds to hit a straight/flush.

NL__Fool

01-07-2007, 03:18 AM

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Here, he has JTs w/ 160 BB stacks. Assuming he's smart enough not to put money in just hitting a pair, he's got great implied odds to hit a straight/flush

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Thats what I was thinking so was this correct?

Claunchy

01-07-2007, 03:23 AM

Yeah, pretty much. I didn't say it was totally standard to call preflop, just that it wasn't horrible.

I would probably still fold here most of the time against solid villains (b/c they have a wider 3-bet range and thus will stack off less often when you hit), and call vs. donkish villains (who usually 3-bet w/ only big hands and stack off with them).

ChubNub

01-07-2007, 03:24 AM

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He's deeper here and he has a hand that plays better postflop.

In other words, assume villain in both hands has AA. With JJ and 70 BB eff. stacks, he's not getting odds to hit a set, and there really aren't too many ways his hand can improve.

Here, he has JTs w/ 160 BB stacks. Assuming he's smart enough not to put money in just hitting a pair, he's got great implied odds to hit a straight/flush.

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GG me - once again I make a fool of myself and don't look at stacks - fine play OP

Isura

01-07-2007, 03:25 AM

Fold PF.