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Jigsaws
01-06-2007, 01:02 PM
BB is an average 100NL TAG, very tight and very aggressive: 15/11/12 over 200 hands. CO is an aggro donkey: 45/29/6.3. I checked the flop because I'll have good relative position if he fires.

Easy fold against this pot-sized turn lead, right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

SB ($191)
BB ($126.35)
UTG ($131.45)
Hero ($105.60)
CO ($198.90)
Button ($71.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($16.50) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $8</font>, Button folds, BB calls $8, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($40.50) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $30</font>, Hero folds

orange
01-06-2007, 01:10 PM
Uh, I prefer just leading the flop/seeing what happens from there. c/c is okay too I guess.

Jigsaws
01-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Bump.

Abramovic
01-06-2007, 07:21 PM
I like leading flop.

Slap My Jack
01-06-2007, 07:37 PM
As played, fold turn.

carnivalhobo
01-06-2007, 08:10 PM
what do you guys put BB on that you are folding the turn? exactly 77? what makes you think you arent going to get an overcall from the CO. I think you have to at least consider calling.

I actually think a raise here is sexy as hell.

Speedlimits
01-06-2007, 08:35 PM
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BB is an average 100NL TAG, very tight and very aggressive: 15/11/12 over 200 hands. CO is an aggro donkey: 45/29/6.3. I checked the flop because I'll have good relative position if he fires.

Easy fold against this pot-sized turn lead, right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

SB ($191)
BB ($126.35)
UTG ($131.45)
Hero ($105.60)
CO ($198.90)
Button ($71.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($16.50) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $8</font>, Button folds, BB calls $8, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($40.50) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $30</font>, Hero folds

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BB's line is weird. I think he has a 2. I fold.

epdaws
01-06-2007, 08:41 PM
That turn is a crai for me.

kitaristi0
01-06-2007, 09:12 PM
Edit: Just noticed I can't CRAI. Nevermind that then.

Jigsaws
01-06-2007, 09:25 PM
Hmm. What do you think he leads with so strongly on the turn that he might fold? I mean, he's 15/11 and he's calling from the BB, he's not showing up w/ a draw here. I don't think he has a 2 ever, though, unless he has 2 of them.

epdaws
01-06-2007, 09:27 PM
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Hmm. What do you think he leads with so strongly on the turn that he might fold? I mean, he's 15/11 and he's calling from the BB, he's not showing up w/ a draw here. I don't think he has a 2 ever, though, unless he has 2 of them.

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If he doesn't have 77, you've got one heck of a lot of FE with a crai.

josh_x
01-06-2007, 10:02 PM
In case people don't realise there are 3 people on the turn, hero is in the middle, with the flop bettor still behind him yet to act. I think it's a fold. The flop is ok as long as you realise that you have underrepresented your hand and don't fold to a second barrel if it's just your and co.

cs3
01-06-2007, 10:53 PM
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Hmm. What do you think he leads with so strongly on the turn that he might fold? I mean, he's 15/11 and he's calling from the BB, he's not showing up w/ a draw here. I don't think he has a 2 ever, though, unless he has 2 of them.

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i dont think that BB ever has a set the way that flop played out. he would most likely make a huge ch/r, possibly lead, but never ch/call. I think AsJ/AQs are his most likely hands.

and CO is usually either a weak Ace or spades based on my experience with those weak bets into a huge field.

I think a push is pretty good here. BB almsot always folds AQ/AJ (miiiiight call with AK but not likely holding given his flat call PF). I would think the only hands that CO could call with that beat you are A7/A2, but those also bet more on flop.

pickless
01-07-2007, 07:22 AM
i hate peo ple with these stats