In the middle of 10 buy in downswing. Can u spot any leaks? **PICS**

[cs3]

First off i realize some people dont like these type of posts but at the very least everyone will get to compare their stats to mine and maybe get a little something out of it. But Hpefully ill get some decent feedback form posters who are experienced PT users
I cruised through december playing more hands than i ever had in a month and winning pretty consistently.I wasnt running real hot or anything but I felt fairly good about my game. It loooked like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/PTwinning1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/23a1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/23b1.jpg


then the new year began and i cant seem to win. i feel like im playing exactly the same game and my stats look just about the same, but the results ( i know, i know) are horrific. Can anyone spot any potential leaks i may be overlooking based on just the numbers? or is impossible to gain anything with this type of comparo without all the HH's?

january:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/PTlosing1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/downswing1a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/downswing2a.jpg

anything else i should be looking at? any feedback would be appreciated, even its jsut to tell me im a donk, or im running cold etc etc.
thanks

[yundmi]

ur WWSF is sick high, but ur won money at sd is kinda low...weird, win more showdowns? i duno, otherwise everything looks good, you could jus be running ridiculously cold with lots of coolers

[Wu36]

not much i can see, your att to steal is a bit low (im at 39, but im a bit of a lagtard).

[BDaws]

Your stats seem to indicate you are becoming a more aggressive player overall. Perhaps you are having trouble making postflop adjustments for your more aggressive preflop habits.

Two things I noticed:
1) Your VPIP and PFR both increased 2 percentage points. Your attempted to steal increased 3 percentage points.
2) You are playing more hands out of the blinds, evidenced by both the VPIP from SB and VPIP from BB increasing.

I'm guessing you have started to raise weaker hands from late position. As a result, on average, your hands are now weaker in relation to your opponents' hands. I'm not really sure how to counter this. Perhaps fold Q9o, J9s, A8o in the cutoff for the little bit. See how things go.

Also, are you 3 betting liberally from the blinds? For example, if button open raises to 4xBB, what do you do in the SB with ATo, KJo, 87s? If you are 3 betting these consistently, you might want to think about mucking them for now until you start to run better and get back in the swing of things. People hate to fold in reraised pots, especially in position. Try tightening up your 3 bet range OOP and see how your game feels.

[Chubbers]

These stats aren't showing a lot, can you post your Position Stats for December and then this last losing period?

[cs3]

thanks bdaws, good points. ya i have been trying to open up a little bit. I do find myself repopping from the blinds vs a CO/Button too often and not giving them credit for a real hand. My blind play has definitly suffered. Ill post the Dec vs Jan Position stats in a sec.

on another note I just realized that I lost 11 times out of 17 sets in the last 4500 hands, so thats not helping either.

[deaders]

You could be more aggro preflop, call a bit less and limp a bit less. Also, win more at showdown /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Actually comparing your flop af to your pf af you could be too aggro on the flop therefore not getting enough value with your good but not great hands and getting called more when you are behind, that would explain your showdown stats but you are obv running bad as well.

[cs3]

what win rate is considered "good" out of the blinds? are my dec results ok?
during my downswing my SB results were actuallly better wich i didnt expect, but my BB play was much much worse. In fact i lost more money in about 1/5 the hands. Nasty.

also disturbing is the fact that i only won money from 2 positions in Jan, and those were UTG and UTG+1... i even lost money on the button (yes that number is red)


DECEMBER
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/posstatsdec1.jpg


JANUARY
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/o1j/poker/posstatsjanuary1.jpg

[cs3]

any thoughts?

[pickless]

not sure exactly but you do seem psycho aggressive. all i gotta say is that bluff equity is key but unless you have a 200k hand sample we won't know exactlys

[pickless]

there is this thing its called v a ra i an ce. look it up

[kazana]

It feels a bit like crystal ball reading, trying to get an answer. I'll try nevertheless.

You might want to check if you're only getting unlucky on coinflips.

What caught my eye is that while your WTSD is roughly in line, your W$SD dropped by 4% (effectively 8% less W$SD). This is why I'm guessing at unlucky flips.

It could also be that your opponents were better overall, and extracted more from you on the river than you did from them. Maybe you're valuebetting less, maybe you're putting less effort into table/position selection. Could be plain variance, too.

Your BB play has definitely suffered, so take a close look at those hands, too. Try to dig up similar hands from pre-bad-run and compare them.

Hope this helps, and all the best getting back on track.

[2Paul2]

Your positional stats are too close together. Tighten up a smidge in utg(+1) and loosen up on co/btn.

Mine look more like:

utg 13
utg+1 21
co 34
btn 39

You dont have to emulate any of those. The point is position is important yo, and you dont seem to be using it to your advantage by the looks of those stats.

Paul

[pickless]

[ QUOTE ]
Your positional stats are too close together. Tighten up a smidge in utg(+1) and loosen up on co/btn.

Mine look more like:

utg 13
utg+1 21
co 34
btn 39

You dont have to emulate any of those. The point is position is important yo, and you dont seem to be using it to your advantage by the looks of those stats.

Paul

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word.

[cs3]

2Paul2-
thanks for the advice. Ill work on tightening up from UTG/UTG+1 when i start playing again tmrw (I've taken the past 3 days off).


any ideas on what an acceptable win (or loss) rate from the SB and BB is?

[cs3]

ok this is gettting [censored] rediculous.
played today for the first time in a week. tightened up signifigantly from EP, didnt make any ill advised moves, and got hammered.

lost 5 five FIVE!!! [censored] coinflips in a row. every single one was vs top pair and i had pair + flssuh draw or 2 overs + flsuh draw.

lost a 340 BB pot with the nut straight ai on turn to a rivered flush

lost a 280BB pot with top 2 vs a set of jacks on KhJhx board vs a hyper aggro 13/11/6 guy who limp called PF. with JJ!!!

lost another stack in a re-raised pot, all in on monotne flop of 78T. i flopped straight, he floppped flush.


i cant possibly run any worse. managed to break even and that felt like a victory in itself. how pathetic huh?
ok rant over.

[FoldEqu1ty]

[ QUOTE ]
lost 5 five FIVE!!! [censored] coinflips in a row. every single one was vs top pair and i had pair + flssuh draw or 2 overs + flsuh draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

You do realise that you don't have to push your big draws, right? The EV of check/calling is often very close to b3b, but with much lower variance. If you get re-raised on the flop, how many folds do you think you're getting from a push?

[jmxthievez]

Whats normal range for WTSD%? NIT? Calling station?

[cs3]

[censored] MOTHER [censored] [censored] [censored]!!!! seriously how do you guys deal wiht this [censored]?

next session, first orbit at each table... the carnage continues:

PokerStars Game #7855294605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/09 - 21:43:37 (ET)
Table 'Lexell II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Djoffy ($23.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Horshak ($210.40 in chips)
Seat 3: kbmnm ($124.70 in chips)
Seat 4: drk_sde ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Jaybird44 ($60.35 in chips)
Seat 6: resetdave ($98.50 in chips)
Djoffy: posts small blind $0.50
Horshak: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drk_sde [9s Js]
kbmnm: folds
drk_sde: raises $3 to $4
Jaybird44: folds
resetdave: folds
Djoffy: folds
Horshak: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [4s Qc Tc]
Horshak: checks
drk_sde: bets $6
Horshak: calls $6
*** TURN *** [4s Qc Tc] [Kd]
Horshak: checks
drk_sde: bets $15
Horshak: raises $35 to $50
drk_sde: raises $38.50 to $88.50 and is all-in
Horshak: calls $38.50
*** RIVER *** [4s Qc Tc Kd] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Horshak: shows [As Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
drk_sde: mucks hand
Horshak collected $194.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $197.50 | Rake $3
Board [4s Qc Tc Kd 6h]
Seat 1: Djoffy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Horshak (big blind) showed [As Jh] and won ($194.50) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: kbmnm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: drk_sde mucked [9s Js]
Seat 5: Jaybird44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: resetdave (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)



PokerStars Game #7855279815: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/09 - 21:42:49 (ET)
Table 'Mayall II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: cj2finger ($90.80 in chips)
Seat 2: paradoxbatmn ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 3: drk_sde ($101.85 in chips)
Seat 4: claimmyplace ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 5: bierli ($34.95 in chips)
Seat 6: sbjensen ($182.60 in chips)
drk_sde: posts small blind $0.50
claimmyplace: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drk_sde [Ac Qc]
bierli: calls $1
sbjensen: folds
cj2finger: calls $1
paradoxbatmn: raises $1 to $2
drk_sde: raises $7 to $9
claimmyplace: folds
bierli: folds
cj2finger: folds
cj2finger is sitting out
paradoxbatmn: calls $7
*** FLOP *** [6d As Tc]
drk_sde: bets $92.85 and is all-in
paradoxbatmn: calls $7.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6d As Tc] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [6d As Tc 3s] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
drk_sde: shows [Ac Qc] (a pair of Aces)
paradoxbatmn: shows [9s Qs] (a flush, Ace high)
paradoxbatmn collected $34.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36 | Rake $1.70
Board [6d As Tc 3s 7s]
Seat 1: cj2finger folded before Flop
Seat 2: paradoxbatmn (button) showed [9s Qs] and won ($34.30) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: drk_sde (small blind) showed [Ac Qc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: claimmyplace (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bierli folded before Flop
Seat 6: sbjensen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[cs3]

PokerStars Game #7856293505: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/09 - 22:38:23 (ET)
Table 'Chaka II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: drk_sde ($178.15 in chips)
Seat 2: ffguitarguy ($232.45 in chips)
Seat 3: LeaveItOut ($64.70 in chips)
Seat 4: unclefatso ($68.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Biscuit21 ($136.60 in chips)
drk_sde: posts small blind $0.50
ffguitarguy: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drk_sde [6s 3s]
LeaveItOut: calls $1
unclefatso: folds
Biscuit21: folds
drk_sde: calls $0.50
ffguitarguy: checks
*** FLOP *** [3h 7s 6c]
drk_sde: bets $3
ffguitarguy: folds
LeaveItOut: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3h 7s 6c] [8s]
drk_sde: bets $8
LeaveItOut: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [3h 7s 6c 8s] [Ks]
drk_sde: bets $22
LeaveItOut: raises $30.70 to $52.70 and is all-in
drk_sde: calls $30.70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LeaveItOut: shows [Js 4s] (a flush, King high)
drk_sde: mucks hand
LeaveItOut collected $128.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $130.40 | Rake $2
Board [3h 7s 6c 8s Ks]
Seat 1: drk_sde (small blind) mucked [6s 3s]
Seat 2: ffguitarguy (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: LeaveItOut showed [Js 4s] and won ($128.40) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: unclefatso folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Biscuit21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


it makes me sick losing this badly against complete idiots. shuld the varince be anything like this at 100NL?

[Claunchy]

Your VPIP is almost as high in the SB as it is on the button. Stop completing with Axo and other random junk so much. Those hands are hard enough to play in position, much less OOP.

[cs3]

i thouhgt my SB resutls were actually pretty good. does anyone really win out of the blinds? becasue im about breaking even in SB.

[Claunchy]

That sample size is way too small for money +/- to be an indicator of anything.

[cs3]

im talking about overall... not just the past 5K hands.
25K hnads isnt enough to draw any conclusions at all? and why cant anyone answer my question abouut sb/BB play? what is a good winrate from those positions respectively?

[Claunchy]

25k hands is enough to tell you about your tendencies -- whether you PFR enough, whether you steal enough, whether you go to showdown too much, etc.

25k hands is no where near enough to make any big assertions related to money unless you're just hemorrhaging $$ left and right, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Anyway, broken-record time, but ultimately how much you win is gonna depend a lot more on how you evaluate situations postflop rather than on PT stats.

[cs3]

why can't anyone tell me what a good winrate is from the blinds??? is it a secret? does nobody know? i dont understand


and just becaue i run like [censored] ice heres another one that just happened. this is [censored] unbelievable

PokerStars Game #7857235198: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/09 - 23:30:33 (ET)
Table 'Lexell II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: actionjnky ($97 in chips)
Seat 2: Horshak ($388.45 in chips)
Seat 3: jpsnow ($254.75 in chips)
Seat 4: drk_sde ($124.70 in chips)
Seat 5: lee676 ($105.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Poker_Ace357 ($24.65 in chips)
actionjnky: posts small blind $0.50
Horshak: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drk_sde [Kh Kc]
jpsnow: folds
jpsnow leaves the table
drk_sde: raises $3 to $4
lee676: calls $4
Poker_Ace357: folds
actionjnky: folds
Horshak: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 5c Qs]
drk_sde: bets $8
TeinGuy joins the table at seat #3
lee676: raises $14 to $22
drk_sde: calls $14
*** TURN *** [3h 5c Qs] [7s]
drk_sde: checks
lee676: bets $35
drk_sde: raises $63.70 to $98.70 and is all-in
lee676: calls $44.50 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [3h 5c Qs 7s] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
drk_sde: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
lee676: shows [7d 7h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
lee676 collected $209.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $212.50 | Rake $3
Board [3h 5c Qs 7s 8s]
Seat 1: actionjnky (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Horshak (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: jpsnow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: drk_sde showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: lee676 showed [7d 7h] and won ($209.50) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: Poker_Ace357 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)