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deedude
01-02-2007, 09:35 PM
Pokerstars
$.01/.02$ No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
9 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $9.14 in chips
BB: $3.71 in chips
UTG: $0.97 in chips
UTG+1: $2.12 in chips
UTG+2: $3.10 in chips
MP1: $1.18 in chips
Hero (MP2): $5.30 in chips
MP3: $1 in chips
CO: $1.60 in chips

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif ($0, 9 players)
MP3: checks, CO: calls $0.02, SB: calls $0.02, BB: calls $0.02, UTG: folds, UTG+1: calls $0.02, UTG+2: folds, MP1: calls $0.01, Hero: checks

So they say that connectors, suited or no, work well in multiway, loose pots. This is about as ideal is it comes, and its free to me anyway, as I am in a late position blind.

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 2http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Jhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif ($0.09, 9 players)
MP1: checks, Hero: checks, <font color="red">MP3: bets $0.06</font>, CO: folds, BB: folds, UTG+1: folds, MP1: folds, Hero: calls $0.12, MP3: calls $0.06

OK, so i picked up my OESD, and I was trying to go for the cheap card. I wound up being priced in anyway.

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 2http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Jhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif [K/images/graemlins/heart.gif] ($0.33, 9 players)
Hero: checks, <font color="red">MP3: bets $0.10</font>, SB: calls $0.10, MP3: calls $0.30, SB: calls $0.30

Theres my money card. I go for the check raise here, hopefully it'll look like a blatant bluff. I'm thinking any K will call here.

<font color="black">River:</font> 2http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Jhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif [T/images/graemlins/heart.gif] ($1.13, 9 players)
<font color="red">Hero: ??? </font>
I just got counterfitted. Now any Ace has me beat, and given the passive nature of the players who are still in, I'm not sure if i'm ahead or behind. How to proceed?

Edit:
First hand of the table, hense I'm in a live, late blind.

Pokey
01-02-2007, 10:41 PM
Looks like the converter messed up a bit; send a PM to Tickner with the raw HH so that he can figure out what went wrong and fix things up. The converter is still in a beta version, and Tickner is doing a great job with it, so he fully deserves our help on it.

From what I can tell, you pulled a check-minraise on the flop. This is a brutally ugly move. Going for a check-raise makes some sense to me, though I prefer leading out for $0.06 or $0.07. But if you ARE going for a check-raise you need to make it a REAL check-raise. Bump that up to $0.25 or so, for a pot-sized raise.

On the turn it looks like you went for another check-raise? Or is that not what happened? The converter really choked on this hand....If you DID go for another check-raise that's a huge mistake. After check-raising the flop you should simply lead this turn. I'd probably make it $0.27 to go, give or take: a strong bet that your opponent will call with any top cards.

On the river you're heads-up, yes? In that case, it looks like MP3 only has about $0.56 left in his stack. Given that, even a blocking bet would put your opponent all-in. Depending on your opponent you can either bet it all-in (if he's a calling type of player rather than a betting type of player) or you can check/call any bet.

If SB is still in the pot then I really can't follow the hand.

Try converting the hand again so that we can make sense of it; as it is, it's just too screwed up to make sense of it. If the converter simply refuses to convert it properly, you can fix it up by hand and include it in a reply to your original hand.

deedude
01-02-2007, 11:54 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($9.14)
MP2 ($3.71)
MP3 ($0.97)
CO ($2.12)
Button ($3.10)
SB ($1.18)
Hero ($5.30)
UTG ($1)
UTG+1 ($1.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif. UTG posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.14) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.06</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $0.12</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.06.

Turn: ($0.50) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.1</font>, MP1 calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, UTG calls $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30.

River: ($1.70) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.3</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.30.

Final Pot: $2.30

I've run it through the FTR hand history converter, this is a bunch easier to read. I think the other one borked because there were a few late position blinds (new players at the table).

I've included what i did on the river. Hopefully this will be significantly easier to follow.

Pokey
01-03-2007, 12:08 AM
OK, now we're talking.

Preflop is standard -- no need to get frisky with crap.

This flop deserves a bet from you. I'd lead for a dime or so. As played, I probably smooth-call the MP1 raise and pray that UTG doesn't three-bet. If he does this becomes an exercise in pot odds / implied odds, and your best play will depend on how big the raise is, assuming that you have six outs (which might be quite generous here). The good news is that UTG will rarely three-bet without a monster, so folding will be optimal and will only cost you an extra $0.12.

On the turn I like a check-raise: one of these two is quite likely to put some money in the pot, and it's a gamble that's worth taking. However, your hand is INCREDIBLY vulnerable: you don't want to see an A, K, Q, J, T, 9, 2, or /images/graemlins/diamond.gif; considering that your check-raise will let the proverbial cat out of the bag, you should make it count: in this case, I'd raise to $1. That's slightly more than a pot-sized raise, and it will probably do very good things, folding out hands that draw well against you (like two diamonds) but getting called by hands that draw badly against you (like KQ or AK).

On the river your bet is entirely too small to effectively block an opponent. This isn't betting -- it's just tipping. If an opponent has an ace he's got the immortal nuts; do you really think he won't raise the hand?? Check/call is a better choice for you: not only does it save money against an ace, it also allows an opponent to value-bet with two pair or a set, and it allows them to bluff.

That river card was very unpleasant for you, so it put you in an awkward situation. If you had position you could have checked behind; as it stands, you've got to open-check and then grit your teeth and call whatever your opponent throws at you (assuming it's at all reasonable in size). Playing out of position just plain sucks -- there's no way around that.