50nl: TPTK facing river c/r

[Adelson]

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Hero ($134.20)
MP ($85.50)
Button ($109.15)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($68.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.5</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.75) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6.25</font>, BB calls $6.25.

River: ($21.25) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $36</font>, Hero calls $24

BB was a calling station, running at 36/25. He pays off a lot with marginal hands. I stacked him with AK v KT on a KK8 flop after 3betting him PF. I have 3bet him a lot and he has generally check/folded, except once with JJ.. check/calling the flop and check turn, check river on an all-undercard flop. He recently lost a big pot with KK to QJ on a xxJxQ board (allin on the turn) so he may be steaming.

He was a calling station so I thought there was decent value in a river bet and the raise confused me. I couldn't put him on a legitimate hand so I called?

[cuQa]

I think I would have just checked the river behind. The calldown would make me kinda scary. You dont have a really strong hand too.
It strongly depends on the type of opponent and what hands he takes to the showdown.

[pineapple888]

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I think I would have just checked the river behind. The calldown would make me kinda scary. You dont have a really strong hand too.
It strongly depends on the type of opponent and what hands he takes to the showdown.

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Well against a calling station a river value bet is certainly reasonable. I call the c/r pretty fast given the read, that board is ugly as sin and I expect to see a weaker J or something random often enough to make it worthwhile.

[Adelson]

I'll just reiterate that I definitely believe there's value in a river bet against this opponent.

[Sweir]

Value bet river is fine vs this Villian. I can't really see what hand he could take this line with that has you beat so calling c/r is ok.

[A_C_Slater]

You almost have to bet the river for meta-game alone if you think anyone at the table is paying attention at all or else your river value bets with monsters will never get paid off.

[Mrage]

Standard. If he had you beat you'll almost definitely get it back unless he leaves after this hand.

[demon102]

Id have to call this given ur read of him and the way this hand played out. I just dont see beating us here a lot he coulda slowplayed something but Im thinking he is just making a tilt play at u trying to take the pot.

[_TKO_]

43/63/46 are reasonable hands that beat you. It's still a weird play. With his big hands, was he the one raising?

[homeslice]

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I'll just reiterate that I definitely believe there's value in a river bet against this opponent.

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When you reached the river what did type of hand did you put him on?

[avfletch]

Is your turn bet standard for you or because you're value betting a calling station to death?

I'd want a pretty decent read before I'd bet the turn here. The flop is very dry and I'm looking to control the pot usually.

[limit refugee]

I'm big on just putting money in on 2 streets with TPTK, but if he's that much of a station the betting river can be ok...your hand examples haven't convinced me though.

At this point, though, I gotta call and hope for the weaker jack. But I expect to lose enough that I wouldn't go out and kick my cat if it happens.

[pineapple888]

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I wouldn't go out and kick my cat if it happens.

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I would. As long as it was your cat. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif