Cbet with a 3bet AK on a paired board

[corsakh]

Against an unknown.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
9 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.20
UTG+1: $4.60
MP1: $9.60
MP2: $14.99
MP3: $10.39
CO: $18.70
Button: $5.10
SB: $9.15
Hero: $10.45

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.5</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP1 folds, Button calls.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3.65, 2 players)
Hero ???

[kekedarius]

Always betting $3.00-3.65 into this.

[Fallen00]

Good spot for a continuous bet, play them like you had aa/kk.

[corsakh]

Its a raised pot, 3 I think is too much.

[Oranzith]

its a raised pot. you better bet 3+ or else he is going to be holding on with nothing. definitely cbet, paired flop, if he calls you are done

[kekedarius]

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Its a raised pot, 3 I think is too much.

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You should never be betting less than 3/4 the bet in a cbet. If you do, you're giving other players proper implied odds, and maybe even pot odds to call you down.

[rael]

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its a raised pot. you better bet 3+ or else he is going to be holding on with nothing. definitely cbet, paired flop, if he calls you are done

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I agree with this. But if called, we're getting the rest of our stack in the middle if an A or K hits the turn, right?

[corsakh]

When your playing in a reraised pot your unlikely to be against draws, most likely pairs and sets. So half pot is normally enough.

[Shaddux]

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Its a raised pot, 3 I think is too much.

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You should never be betting less than 3/4 the bet in a cbet. If you do, you're giving other players proper implied odds, and maybe even pot odds to call you down.

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No. You neglect stack sizes in your reasoning. This is a reraised pot.

I bet about 2/3 here always.

[Oranzith]

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Its a raised pot, 3 I think is too much.

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You should never be betting less than 3/4 the bet in a cbet. If you do, you're giving other players proper implied odds, and maybe even pot odds to call you down.

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No. You neglect stack sizes in your reasoning. This is a reraised pot.

I bet about 2/3 here always.

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shaddux, you just recommended a bet of about 2.5. that seems intuitively small. could you explain your logic in depth? i still believe that a decent holding, especially a mid pocket pair, would look you up for a bet that small.

[Jigsaws]

A mid pocket pair is never ever folding on this board anyways. Maybe if you shove turn as well. $2.50 is fine.

[corsakh]

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shaddux, you just recommended a bet of about 2.5. that seems intuitively small. could you explain your logic in depth? i still believe that a decent holding, especially a mid pocket pair, would look you up for a bet that small.

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I repeat: because unless you and your opponent are both deep stack, in a reraised pot you face pocket pairs and broadway cards. Not SC's. Hence, there will be close to no draws.

[corsakh]

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A mid pocket pair is never ever folding on this board anyways. Maybe if you shove turn as well. $2.50 is fine.

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He's too short to shove turn. Its a flop shove /images/graemlins/smile.gif I expected a PP, but was surprised by what I saw /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Jigsaws]

Oh meh. I didn't look at stack sizes. Yeah, I'd shove flop with these stacks.

[Suaimhnea]

Shoving on the flop is going to increase FE, right?

My line was going to be bet $2.75-$3.25, getting yourself stuck, anyway.

Shoving, tho. Nice.

[corsakh]

Too bad for me villains range included some twos /images/graemlins/wink.gif