25NL 6m- How bad is this line?

[optimus_prime]

Standard button steal pf with a decent drawing hand.
BB min raises over a bet and call, ok so I gotta figure 2 pair or better.
SB is definitly done with the hand and I gotta think I have next to no fold equity against BB, but I have a pretty strong combo draw.
BB is 20/4/3 fwiw.

Thoughts?


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Hero ($23.30)
SB ($16.50)
BB ($18.30)
UTG ($17.70)
MP ($26.60)
CO ($36.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.75</font>, SB calls $2.75, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $5.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $22.3</font>

[pineapple888]

Once you bet the flop the first time, the rest looks fine to me. I was trying to work out if a flat-call of the c/r might be better, but there is just too damn much money in the middle, so it looks like a shove, although I'm not too thrilled about it.

But really, I see little point to betting the flop in the first place, you have one of those in-between hands, there is too much risk of getting c/r and now you are at the point where you have to shove and have given up your positional and (hopefully) skill edge.

I would just take another card off and go from there.

[Unknown Soldier]

dont bluff this flop, far too connected. Take the free card

[optimus_prime]

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Once you bet the flop the first time, the rest looks fine to me. I was trying to work out if a flat-call of the c/r might be better, but there is just too damn much money in the middle, so it looks like a shove, although I'm not too thrilled about it.

But really, I see little point to betting the flop in the first place, you have one of those in-between hands, there is too much risk of getting c/r and now you are at the point where you have to shove and have given up your positional and (hopefully) skill edge.

I would just take another card off and go from there.

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I bet this flop because theres a (slim) chance I take it down right here, or maybe I get a call or two then I'm still in control on the turn.

[pineapple888]

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Once you bet the flop the first time, the rest looks fine to me. I was trying to work out if a flat-call of the c/r might be better, but there is just too damn much money in the middle, so it looks like a shove, although I'm not too thrilled about it.

But really, I see little point to betting the flop in the first place, you have one of those in-between hands, there is too much risk of getting c/r and now you are at the point where you have to shove and have given up your positional and (hopefully) skill edge.

I would just take another card off and go from there.

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I bet this flop because theres a (slim) chance I take it down right here, or maybe I get a call or two then I'm still in control on the turn.

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Well, if there's only a slim chance you take it down, I see no reason to put more money in, when you have nothing at the moment. You have a hand that's well-disguised otherwise so you are likely to get a bunch of $$ in the pot if you check now and hit the turn, or may get odds to draw cheap to the river in any case. And again, you are not liking a c/r at all which is quite likely on this flop.

[Dennisa]

I dont like the push for two reasons. Now its less than pot sized against the two shorter stacks. I dont think their is any FE on your push.

Your combo is very weak. 12 outs before the c/r and probably only 10 after. You have pot odds for the chase, but I agree with other posters that you would of been better taking the free card on that board. Villian most likely has 88 or AQ.

[CrustyFace]

checkraise the flop.

[pineapple888]

Troll. Plonk.

[CrustyFace]

Me?

[Sweir]

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checkraise the flop.

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He has position, how can he check-raise??

I would probably just check behind and see what the turn brings unless you think you have a decent amount of FE. As played I think a push is fine.

[CrustyFace]

He can use magic.

I misread these things all the time, my bad.

[homeslice]

Just check behind on the flop...

As played, spew...

[BoozeHound]

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Once you bet the flop the first time, the rest looks fine to me. I was trying to work out if a flat-call of the c/r might be better, but there is just too damn much money in the middle, so it looks like a shove, although I'm not too thrilled about it.

But really, I see little point to betting the flop in the first place, you have one of those in-between hands, there is too much risk of getting c/r and now you are at the point where you have to shove and have given up your positional and (hopefully) skill edge.

I would just take another card off and go from there.

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I bet this flop because theres a (slim) chance I take it down right here, or maybe I get a call or two then I'm still in control on the turn.

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I somewhat agree with this, I think villains fire at this pot with ATC after you check behind

[AceLuby]

I love this move!!! Why all the hate? 12 outs to the nuts. The push should fold out better club draws if there are any... We probably don't have any FE, but I would take this gamble every day w/ the dead $$$ in there.

[demon102]

If u guys are just calling here for a turn card then play in my game every day please. IM shoving here every time like op did. If opp calls we are about 45% to draw out by the river and with the money in the pot we are getting great odds to draw. Op u played this hand goot.

[pineapple888]

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If u guys are just calling here for a turn card then play in my game every day please. IM shoving here every time like op did. If opp calls we are about 45% to draw out by the river and with the money in the pot we are getting great odds to draw. Op u played this hand goot.

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Nobody said to flat-call the raise. The issue is whether to bet at all.

[Alfil]

It would be difficult for me to put BB on a set here because of the minraise into two players. This isn't exactly the type of flop I would want to price in two opponents. I've been noticing the minraise line tends to take down a lot of pots because the assumption is that only a strong hand is willing to do so, but after a c-bet and a call the minraise makes little sense to me if villian has 2P or a set since they are still vulnerable. With two to a flush/straight I'd read this a villian trying to represent the flush draw ,J10 or has a marginal Ax.