Bowlboy
01-01-2007, 03:48 PM
I know that the general consensus is dont open limp in 6max
and ever since I've read Tien's 6max article I've tried to adhere to this 'rule' most of the time. There is also the idea that every 'rule' in poker is meant to be broken given the right conditions. In this particular hand I fold, because of the rules. I dont want to open limp, but I dont feel particularly comfortable open raising. QJs is a nice hand however, and can play very well in large multiway pots. I think folding gives up on a lot of preflop equity. Raising will often thin the field and put me to a lot of tougher post flop decisions and could have reverse implied odds since I'll often be in trouble if I happen to flop top pair oop. This makes me think that open limping might be ok. It will encourage other players to limp behind me. Also, a lot of players at 10NL either raise way too much or not enough PF. Example, you open limp utg QJs 2 other players limp and the button raises to 3x the BB. Easy call, and usually everybody comes along. These are the sort of pots I want to be playing with hands like this. In a multiway pot, this hand almost plays itself. Either you flop a nice draw, or 2 pair+ or you go home.
Guess I'm looking for some feedback on my line of thinking here. I just want to win more monies. If open limping is still bad in any situation please explain why especially for my circumstances.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($5.75)
Hero ($17.55)
MP ($11.65)
Button ($13.20)
SB ($4.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif.
[color=#666666]2 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to $0.3</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.20.
Flop: ($0.65) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $0.5</font>, BB calls $0.50.
Turn: ($1.65) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets $0.7</font>, Button calls $0.70.
River: ($3.05) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets $0.8</font>, Button folds.
Final Pot: $3.85
PS: sorry bout the goof up with the hand converter.
and ever since I've read Tien's 6max article I've tried to adhere to this 'rule' most of the time. There is also the idea that every 'rule' in poker is meant to be broken given the right conditions. In this particular hand I fold, because of the rules. I dont want to open limp, but I dont feel particularly comfortable open raising. QJs is a nice hand however, and can play very well in large multiway pots. I think folding gives up on a lot of preflop equity. Raising will often thin the field and put me to a lot of tougher post flop decisions and could have reverse implied odds since I'll often be in trouble if I happen to flop top pair oop. This makes me think that open limping might be ok. It will encourage other players to limp behind me. Also, a lot of players at 10NL either raise way too much or not enough PF. Example, you open limp utg QJs 2 other players limp and the button raises to 3x the BB. Easy call, and usually everybody comes along. These are the sort of pots I want to be playing with hands like this. In a multiway pot, this hand almost plays itself. Either you flop a nice draw, or 2 pair+ or you go home.
Guess I'm looking for some feedback on my line of thinking here. I just want to win more monies. If open limping is still bad in any situation please explain why especially for my circumstances.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($5.75)
Hero ($17.55)
MP ($11.65)
Button ($13.20)
SB ($4.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif.
[color=#666666]2 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to $0.3</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.20.
Flop: ($0.65) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $0.5</font>, BB calls $0.50.
Turn: ($1.65) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets $0.7</font>, Button calls $0.70.
River: ($3.05) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets $0.8</font>, Button folds.
Final Pot: $3.85
PS: sorry bout the goof up with the hand converter.