JJ play: good laydonw or got bluffed?

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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: nickolsj ( $28.72)
Seat 2: faruge2 ( $55.18)
Seat 3: BadLoser2006 ( $79.48)
Seat 4: blogreg ( $37.15)
Seat 5: Hero ( $54.45)
Seat 6: Richy0069 ( $60.26)
nickolsj posts small blind (0.25)
BadLoser2006 posts big blind (0.50)


Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with J /images/graemlins/spade.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.


Flop: 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif ($9.75, 3 players)
UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $9, Button raises all-in $57.26, UTG folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $48.26 returned to Button.


Results:
Final pot: $28.25

how the hell do you play this?

I had to put him on sets...

what do you think?

how should I play this hand?

[KEW]

If he bluffed you more power to him..W/O a read I play it the same..I can't put him on a set all though possible..Either way I am folding and getting his stack later..

[natzucowww]

i like it w/out a read

[corsakh]

The only hand you are beating he could have is TT. Good fold.

[NHBuddy]

Would your answers change if it was KK or AA?

[corsakh]

Yes. With AA I certainly call.

[BallinBruha]

im calling this all day without a read

[Djeorge]

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im calling this all day without a read

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What hands could he have that we beat?

[Fiksdal]

I don't understand the people who say they will fold JJ, but not AA in this situation. That is pretty wierd. The only hands that can beat JJ but not AA in this situation are KK and QQ.

And I don't believe those hands are in villains range, because I expect him to 3-bet preflop with them.

Folding JJ here might be reasonable. But anyone who says they'd fold JJ but not AA, please explain.

[Jigsaws]

Villain cold-called a 3-bet preflop. A lot of people don't 4-bet their big pocket pairs facing a reraise. QQ+ is definitely in Button's range, IMO.

[MadMike]

I'd dump JJ (and QQ) here without a read.
Very odd way for villian to play pretty much any holding.
Cold-calling a 3bet to me means AK played passively, pretty much any PP, sometimes something stupid like KQs. I don't exclude AA/KK/QQ from villians range here- could be calling to not 'kill his action'. On the flop he's not pushing a draw here unless he called a 3-bet PF with A8s.

So with JJ on a 9-high board, you're beating TT or a bluff. You're losing to AA,KK,QQ,99,77,66. Even if you assume he pushes with AK or something even more stupid 10% of the time you can't call this. He shouldn't be playing a set like this, but on the other hand he shouldn't be playing AA-TT like this either.

With AA on a 9-high board, you're beating KK,QQ,JJ and TT. You're losing to 99,77,66. You're ahead of his range so it's a call.

KK is marginal. Probably a call from the dead money in the pot and the off chance the villian is a nutjob pushing with overcards, but I'd expect to loose that about half the time.

QQ is a fold.

[allbad]

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You're losing to AA,KK,QQ,99,77,66. Even if you assume he pushes with AK or something even more stupid 10% of the time you can't call this. He shouldn't be playing a set like this, but on the other hand he shouldn't be playing AA-TT like this either.

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What about 2pair? I think the connector and 1-gapper are possible holdings as well giving him the possibility of 7766 or 9977.

[corsakh]

Yep, two pair and made straights are very real.
However, I looked again at the hand. I fold pocket aces. I thought UTG made a raise, not a minraise. People just love minraising with small pockets and suied connectors at this level UTG.

[lsaw2]

JJ=QQ=KK=AA = Fold here.

JJ=fold AA=call ?= Spew!

[corsakh]

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JJ=QQ=KK=AA = Fold here.

JJ=fold AA=call ?= Spew!

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Dude, if it wasnt for the minraise, AA is a certain call. Your against TT+ here about 90% of the time.

[MadMike]

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You're losing to AA,KK,QQ,99,77,66. Even if you assume he pushes with AK or something even more stupid 10% of the time you can't call this. He shouldn't be playing a set like this, but on the other hand he shouldn't be playing AA-TT like this either.

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What about 2pair? I think the connector and 1-gapper are possible holdings as well giving him the possibility of 7766 or 9977.

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I didn't catch that the UTG raise was a minraise at first. I was thinking that the player going AI on the flop calling a raise and re-raise preflop with 76s or 97s would be unlikely- so I didn't really think of that as part of the range. If you're including 76s and 97s then you probably have to include A8s and maybe K8s as part of the villians range.

[Warteen]

Nobody has mentioned a pair and a draw in the villain's range. There are a lot of players who would push with that.
Still, probably a good fold.

[MadMike]

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JJ=QQ=KK=AA = Fold here.

JJ=fold AA=call ?= Spew!

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Elaborate please. The key decision is to call the AI from a PF RR cold-caller or not. The preflop minraiser has already folded.

What range are you putting the villian on that makes AA a fold? Do you think the villian never plays KK-TT like this and we can narrow down his range to a set more than 55% of the time?

[crestedbutte]

UTG made the raise, Hero reraise, Button just called.

[bk1]

villian showed me A9o....

[_TKO_]

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villian showed me A9o....

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You'll get him later.

[bk1]

hahaha
thanks....

[Check_The_Nuts]

you forgot to mention villian is terrible.

Shoving flop here is just weird.