NL25 - Throw away AA??

[bazza22]

Tough decision on flop, no reads on villain.

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $19.65
CO: $27.40
BTN: $22.85
SB: $37.05
Hero (BB): $25.1

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($0.35, 5 players)
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.35</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, UTG folds, CO folds, BTN calls $1.65

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif ($6.6, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all in to $19.85</font>, Hero ???

[avfletch]

Raise more preflop. You're offering button pretty good implied odds and you want to discourage the two that limped in before him.

I call this flop all day every day. You'll see all kinds of rubbish as well as the odd set/two pair.

[Sir Winalot]

Wooow, snapcall flop. This is KK-TT like allways. And 3-bet closer to 4 preflop.

[bazza22]

Thanks, just had a few bad beats and needed clarification that i was doing the right thing in spots like this! he had 88, Grrr.

[Mrage]

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Wooow, snapcall flop. This is KK-TT like allways. And 3-bet closer to 4 preflop.

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What he said. 88? Tough break but you made the right move.

If the guy understands implied odds and you 3-bet to $4 he might have folded (maybe, maybe not.)

[avfletch]

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Wooow, snapcall flop. This is KK-TT like allways. And 3-bet closer to 4 preflop.

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What he said. 88? Tough break but you made the right move.

If the guy understands implied odds and you 3-bet to $4 he might have folded (maybe, maybe not.)

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Presumably hero called and failed to spike an A on the river (big leak that /images/graemlins/wink.gif

You can be pretty sure that villain is always calling with 88 here unless you make an absolutely massive reraise. You make his call wrong by reraising hands that he can't stack you with.

[King Car]

***grunch*****

Raise more pre-flop.

I call the A/I here, there are a lot hands that we are beating that make this play.

[LOwrestling2001]

yea, RR more preflop, that way, even when the villain stacks you with a set, it won't be worth it for him in the long run to call big preflop raises/reraises with smaller PP. i mean, if he has to pay $4 each time to see the flop. he stacks you 1 of 8 times, his net assuming he folds flop and 100bb stax = 1x25 - 7x4 = -3 (assuming 1 of 8 times getting a set, i think its more like 1 to 8.5).

[unseen]

Thank god, I am not alone. /images/graemlins/wink.gif I got nearly the same situation last night.

[PotatoStew]

What if hero had KK - does that make a difference?

[lacrymosa]

given the action PF this is most likely JJ-KK. Call this every time.

[Sir Winalot]

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What if hero had KK - does that make a difference?

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Why would it?

[MadMike]

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What if hero had KK - does that make a difference?

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Not enough of one to matter at 25NL in this situaton. Villian's range is still over 40+% to include an overpair, A9, or draw that we're ahead of- we don't even need that much to call here.

[BukNaked36]

You definitely can't get away from this hand with this board. Villian could be pushing a str8/flush/ or combo draw.

[udbrky]

You've got about 39% equity if his range includes 99, 88, 44 as well as strong suited kings, AcKc and JJ+ with a club. If you take his range down to JJ+, AcKc, you've got 84% equity. You're getting roughly 45:20 on the push, so 2.25:1, so you need 31% equity to call profitably. Given the preflop raise by him, I think you can weight the range more heavily towards the JJ+, AcKc. Gotta call.

[4_2_it]

Call. Villain's range includes a lot of hands that hero crushes.

[homeslice]

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Call. Villain's range includes a lot of hands that hero crushes.

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[kurto]

Your raise is gross. You practically minraised him.

A potsized raise would be $6.40. Though $5 is probably fine.

[freedom18]

3 bet 3x his raise with these kinda hands and we always call the flop w/o reads, all based on a feel

[PotatoStew]

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What if hero had KK - does that make a difference?

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Why would it?

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I don't know that it would, but I had a similar hand last night with KK that I was certain I played wrong. There were a few differences that may mean I was in fact wrong, but now I'm not as sure after reading this thread. I'll post the hand later.

[AceLuby]

Bet more PF, at least to $4, maybe even close to $5. Flop is fine and I instacall this AI.