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KLJ
12-27-2006, 04:14 AM
edit: yes i posted here on purpose, i like uNL

Villain is like 56/15/2 semiaggro donk. No history.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $117
KLJ: $219.85
CO: $330
Button: $199
SB: $233.05
BB: $247.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) KLJ is UTG+1 with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">KLJ raises to $8</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($17, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $9</font>, <font color="#cc0000">KLJ raises to $30</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($77, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $45</font>, KLJ?

Push is standard? Small R/R? Call? Fold?

_TKO_
12-27-2006, 04:22 AM
Well if you're not gonna fold, you might as well push.

KLJ
12-27-2006, 04:25 AM
folding is an option?

_TKO_
12-27-2006, 04:30 AM
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folding is an option?

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If you really think he's betting his turned boat, but it would be a pretty sick fold. If you call now, then you're calling the river, and it's probably going all-in anyway. If he's semi-bluffing a heart here, he'll probably call the push now but fold the river if he misses. Just push.

Claunchy
12-27-2006, 04:35 AM
Meh, just call. He either has a boat or you have him crushed, so let him bet, and get it in on the river I guess.

DO NOT FOLD.

lsaw2
12-27-2006, 04:45 AM
I was about to type reraise enough to commit yourself, stuff it if that's the case, push turn.

Sir Winalot
12-27-2006, 05:59 AM
Your flop raise is weak sauce, make 40-44. Insta-shove turn.

Spanky1974
12-27-2006, 12:44 PM
Your stack is half of my BR, and even I couldn't fold. I would raise more on the flop, and I think I'm OK with raising or pushing the turn. Reload and win it back if he shows down his boat.

I'm super surprised to see that people play 56% VPI at $200 NL. I can't wait until I get there!

Bring_Me_Down
12-27-2006, 12:52 PM
I think flop is ok. Turn is, again, difficult. If u shove, i dont know will u get payed with worse hand..? Calling is v v risky. Id raise it to somewhere near 110$. And ofc. no matter of riv, u shove / call opponents shove.

barryc83
12-27-2006, 12:58 PM
Yeah, I like shoving the turn also b/c he might call with 2 pair but if you call and another heart comes on river you get nothing more. I wouldn't even consider folding this. It looks like he has a lone Q and you could have a lone Ah by the flop raise so he leads the turn so you don't check behind. I think he calls a push a lot here.