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12-21-2006, 12:46 PM
The first time I faced the question was in Pokerroom (and have been playing at their skins too during some years some of the time and it has been the same though for different reasons - one always starts there with a win and then one gets later stuck with or without this or that kind of a deal) where I got a good start and then got stuck at something like 4000 hands, and it has been the same story at three skins.
Then I have played the Party and its skins from ever since they started their business; I never got any bonus money from any skin but steadily lost exactly that bonus amount during the bonus play, just getting my winnings. I have played Poker.com with a deal and they made it sticky at the point where my rakeback increases, and starting the next month it wasn't sticky anymore till it again got to a point of higher rakeback. I played Manson for a little time and it was a joke.
Then I have played FullTilt; it was with a rakeback deal too and it was a bad deal for me as I did not got much any bonus because of the rakeback deal, but still they put the beat on me (the biggest I have ever faces, cut of my head though counting all I still made half of what I would have made without any deals) after first starting there with a significant winning streak.
I played UltimateBet with a bonus and a rakeback deal and started with a significant win and then they started to cut of my head and I just broke even on my normal score (on poker tracker) and made an amount of about half of my expectation with the rakeback deal and the bonus. UB was pretty exactly like FullTilt though it had double fluctuations (those that Party has/had). I got the bonus at Absolute Poker (that was when they started, years ago) and at most Casino sites at those times.
I also suspect the rakeback deals as what I know about the deeper than normal losing streaks many players have experienced, so it seems to be there. I though hope that at least one place where I play currently (testing it and it being of major importance as it's currently one of the rare place where I may be able to play in Italy when I go there) wouldn't turn out to be so as it's unbeatable or beatable not enough without the rakeback deal.
About Primas (it feels like one is not getting as many playable hands there, and it has been so ever since the ex-poker.com - not Prima but had the same shuffle - in 2000. It depends of the skin too, but I haven't played there enough (maybe 25K hands) to have verified enough, just that when I played NL I was facing suckouts far too often, couldn't win even with the nuts, and I am not the only one seeing that, but at skins like The Gaming Club Poker it wasn't bad though I hade one week where I broke even in a good NL game, something that's unlikely at some places.
About limit poker Prima it was better, can't say there to be necessarily anything wrong though I hade my moments but I have also made my normal expectation at one skin I played with a rakeback deal from 10K hands, so from that period there was nothing wrong though I have done the same at the current Poker.com from the first 15K hands (just 5000 hands were sticky - reduced win amount).
When I play at my trusted sites, usually wthout any deals, I win as I expect to win, and I face the kind of beats I expect to face, so I know what to expect.
Then I have played the Party and its skins from ever since they started their business; I never got any bonus money from any skin but steadily lost exactly that bonus amount during the bonus play, just getting my winnings. I have played Poker.com with a deal and they made it sticky at the point where my rakeback increases, and starting the next month it wasn't sticky anymore till it again got to a point of higher rakeback. I played Manson for a little time and it was a joke.
Then I have played FullTilt; it was with a rakeback deal too and it was a bad deal for me as I did not got much any bonus because of the rakeback deal, but still they put the beat on me (the biggest I have ever faces, cut of my head though counting all I still made half of what I would have made without any deals) after first starting there with a significant winning streak.
I played UltimateBet with a bonus and a rakeback deal and started with a significant win and then they started to cut of my head and I just broke even on my normal score (on poker tracker) and made an amount of about half of my expectation with the rakeback deal and the bonus. UB was pretty exactly like FullTilt though it had double fluctuations (those that Party has/had). I got the bonus at Absolute Poker (that was when they started, years ago) and at most Casino sites at those times.
I also suspect the rakeback deals as what I know about the deeper than normal losing streaks many players have experienced, so it seems to be there. I though hope that at least one place where I play currently (testing it and it being of major importance as it's currently one of the rare place where I may be able to play in Italy when I go there) wouldn't turn out to be so as it's unbeatable or beatable not enough without the rakeback deal.
About Primas (it feels like one is not getting as many playable hands there, and it has been so ever since the ex-poker.com - not Prima but had the same shuffle - in 2000. It depends of the skin too, but I haven't played there enough (maybe 25K hands) to have verified enough, just that when I played NL I was facing suckouts far too often, couldn't win even with the nuts, and I am not the only one seeing that, but at skins like The Gaming Club Poker it wasn't bad though I hade one week where I broke even in a good NL game, something that's unlikely at some places.
About limit poker Prima it was better, can't say there to be necessarily anything wrong though I hade my moments but I have also made my normal expectation at one skin I played with a rakeback deal from 10K hands, so from that period there was nothing wrong though I have done the same at the current Poker.com from the first 15K hands (just 5000 hands were sticky - reduced win amount).
When I play at my trusted sites, usually wthout any deals, I win as I expect to win, and I face the kind of beats I expect to face, so I know what to expect.