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Imrahil
12-10-2006, 04:25 PM
Villain is 28/6/1.6 over 229 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($54.60)
SB ($55.50)
BB ($34.45)
UTG ($21.05)
MP ($89.80)
CO ($38.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB calls $2.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds.

Flop: ($6) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $19</font>, Hero????

SubaruSTiMike
12-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Depends on if you know he'll raise a draw. Some villains play like this with a draw while others play like this with 2pair/set. Is villain not going to lead in this draw heavy board if he has a set? Do you cbet 100 percent of the time? It really depends on the fact that he plays draws or sets this way. I think this is a push or fold siatuion right? I'm more inclined to fold but I'm nitty like that. He might have a monster draw which is more likely.

Imrahil
12-10-2006, 04:33 PM
Villain is pretty donkish. He called almost a PSB with just a gutshot.

wslee00
12-10-2006, 05:48 PM
I don't put villain on a draw. I find it highly unlikely that villain is going to c/r on that board, OOP with a draw.

The only hand I can put him on is a set.

cakewalk
12-10-2006, 06:14 PM
i can see a random having QT here

SubaruSTiMike
12-11-2006, 01:19 AM
He is willing to check on THIS kind of board with a set? It is so drawy that villain would be a complete moron to do. I find it more likely that a draw check raises...but maybe you're right, check raise shows a lot of strength epsecially since he doesn't wanna get outdrawn.

Imrahil
12-11-2006, 10:07 AM
Once villain raises I assume that he has moved all in for his remaining $52.10 (he has me covered so my remaining chips) (assuming I have no FE). Now there is my $5.50 + his $52.10 + the pot $6 = $63.60. I have $46.60 left. Pot odds = 63.6 to 46.6 = 1.365 to 1 or 42%.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

69,300 games 0.030 secs 2,310,000 games/sec

Board: Jd 9d 8s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 37.5043 % 36.49% 01.01% { QhQs }
Hand 2: 62.4957 % 61.49% 01.01% { JJ-88, AJs, AdTd, QTs, J9s-J8s, T7s, AJo, QTo, J9o-J8o, T7o }


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So it doesn't seem like I'm getting correct odds to call assuming that he plays all those hands that way.

Interesting:

14,850 games 0.010 secs 1,485,000 games/sec

Board: Jd 9d 8s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.3838 % 42.07% 00.32% { QhQs }
Hand 2: 57.6162 % 57.30% 00.32% { JJ-88 }


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This may be a lesson. On a draw heavy board with an overpair against a single opponent, a lot of the time you have to let your hand go against a lot of resistance on the flop if you aren't getting the correct odds.

By the way his T7s was good. Can't believe he called a good sized raise OOP with T7s. But I don't really care because a lot of the time I'll be raising with 44 or 98s in that spot so when he does flop a straight, most of the time I won't pay him off.