AA, OOP facing an all in on the flop.

[VorShot]

No reads, as i just sat in on the BB the hand before.


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $6.25
UTG+1: $5.35
CO: $15.40
Button: $12.65
VorShot: $10.40
BB: $22.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) VorShot is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">VorShot raises to $0.5</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($1.6, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">VorShot bets $1.6</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $14.9</font>, VorShot...

[gimmetheloot]

should prob find a fold here.

[VorShot]

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should prob find a fold here.

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Hey gimmie.

Reasons? Just because unknown?

[Check_The_Nuts]

he limped called, so likely hands for him are KQ(less likely)/QJ/pocket pair/QT/JT/T9s/88/KT. So your basically up against two pair, a set or a big draw (unlikely, not that many people push those on the flop at this level).

Some of the hands in that range I gave obviously aren't pushing. But clearly he either has a weak pair with QT or KQ, or he has two pair+. I doubt he'd shove QT....

That range crushes you, so fold.

oh I raise to 70 or 80 cents preflop. Not saying your PFR size is "wrong" or anything, I just raise huge out of the blinds.

[Alexey]

hmm... looks like flush draw, may be with pair. I would call.

[avfletch]

I raise more preflop to increase the chance of taking it down or playing it heads up.

I'm happy to get it allin on the flop here. This is a retarded draw, TP or otherwise often enough to be profitable since everyone slow plays their big hands.

[gimmetheloot]

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should prob find a fold here.

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Hey gimmie.

Reasons? Just because unknown?

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We havent seen any of his play at all, I imagine that most of his range is T9/2pr here. Maybe hes a crazy aggro donk who does this with Q2, but until I know that im not comfortable putting in a stack here to find out.

[VorShot]

Good read.

called, turned over T9o

[ImprovinNewbie]

so sick..... man, i'd love to call and double up but i see QJ here and set of 8's a lot. its classic i think. limp with one of those 2 hands and call a raise... the all in is a little presumptious, no pot massaging, but he might have got you. i mean seriously, would he do this with a draw?

[VorShot]

As many times as i've seen a flush draw here, it just makes it so hard to get away from someone with a real hand.

[wslee00]

at 10NL, no one raises their draws. Those pushes are big hands almost always.

[gimmetheloot]

anybody wanna do some pokerstove/ev calcs?