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stokken
12-10-2006, 12:20 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($155.20) I probably have made a few thin river calls to many, other then that I dont think my opposition find me to easy to play.
BB ($54.55)
UTG ($20.80)
MP ($54.85)
CO ($29.25)
Button ($49.15) passive with strong holdings and draws alike. But I have seen him riverbluff, although it seemed with thought as it was against the weakthighty at the table. Have not caught him out of line with regards to hand selection, apart from some lucky bb specials he hit. As said he is usually passive

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif.
3 folds</font>, Button raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $0.75, [i]1 fold.

Flop: ($2.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $19 this is bad right? Button calls $11.

River: ($43.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button bets $20,

My reason for checking. I fold all hands that im beating and will get reraised/called by those who trash me. Can I induce a bluff or weaker holding to stab here often enough to make a call profitable?

Stokken

gimmetheloot
12-10-2006, 12:26 PM
are you seriously thinking about folding?

Not in a million years. Your flop lead sucks btw, as does your turn 3 bet. (the size, not the play)

DanJ.
12-10-2006, 12:27 PM
I 3bet a lot preflop.

Flop play is fine, although i would prob bet something like 1.8.
Id 3bet to like $24 on the turn.
On the river i would just shove him all in. hes calling you with plenty of hands that you beat.

stokken
12-10-2006, 12:29 PM
I agree with the 3 bet size,that was a brainfart. But why do you think my flopp lead sux? I want to build a pot asap and its typically the lead of a drawing hand. And the board is very coordinated, so action is likely. If he limped some trash there is noway im gonna get action anyways?

Stokken

SirNeb
12-10-2006, 12:32 PM
not sure about this one. After a RR on the turn, most who does not have a great hand but just a good hand will usually check behind here on the river. If he missed his draw, ya it might induce a bet but your hand isn't really invincible and I'm sure there is no way you would put him on a set that hit a boat. And frankly nobody is folding here on a boat scare.

Also, the turn bet is good because you might not get more action on the river also it protects your hand from a Ace high flush. You really can't be too greedy when a villian who is drawing. Though if he's drawing for a flush card, he only has 7 cards in the deck.

If you put him on a dead draw, then ya check it because he isn't going to call your bet. If you put him on a 2 pair or TPTK, then betting would be better since he will probably call a decent sized bet. If you check, he'll check behind because he'll want to see SD and not lose any more from this hand.

SirNeb
12-10-2006, 12:36 PM
flop play is fine, do you seriously want to see a flush card come out? Even though you'll see SD, you know you only hold 2nd nuts.

On the other hand, you might induce a bluff from the button for checking which is sometimes all you will extract from this hand. I generally agree with leading out over slow playing monster flops, especially OOP.

gimmetheloot
12-10-2006, 12:37 PM
you need to lead flop for at least 2$.

OP: Please realize on the river, that all 2 pairs were just counterfietted and to AA, and that all of the draws missed.

I put all the chips in the middle. If you folded here, plz give me your SN. I will move down limits to be your worst nightmare /images/graemlins/smile.gif

stokken
12-10-2006, 12:43 PM
I made a crying call. I reasoned that my thin calls and one daring bluff was enough reason that he might act out of his natural self-being passive. The hand just got me thinking about the river line. If it is better to c and call rather then leading getting to this spot
And when the passive turns, hmm I`m trying to get off the vacumlines abit, but totally see your point

Stokken

dp13368
12-10-2006, 12:44 PM
- Lead flop &gt; $2
- Make Turn &gt; $25