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HoldEmNewby
12-09-2006, 02:34 PM
Not much of a read villain is 25/8.33 over 24 hands. Advise preflop and flop.

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MP ($24.40)
CO ($42.40)
Hero ($30.40)
SB ($25.90)
BB ($7.85)
UTG ($51.97)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $1.9</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">

Antinome
12-09-2006, 02:41 PM
fold somewhere. anywhere. the sooner the better.

HoldEmNewby
12-09-2006, 02:42 PM
Yeah i think preflop was a fold

IsaacAsimov
12-09-2006, 02:47 PM
It isn't profitabel to fold to minraises preflop. Since you get such good pot odds that you can continue playing most hands (unless you semi-bluff raised preflop). You even have absolute position here. He donks into you on that flop, I would simply fold.

urubu111
12-09-2006, 02:48 PM
easy call on flop.

HoldEmNewby
12-09-2006, 02:52 PM
So preflop call is fine. Just fold to the flop donk?

urubu111
12-09-2006, 02:53 PM
off course its another easy call on flop.

Antinome
12-09-2006, 02:56 PM
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It isn't profitabel to fold to minraises preflop. Since you get such good pot odds that you can continue playing most hands (unless you semi-bluff raised preflop). You even have absolute position here. He donks into you on that flop, I would simply fold.

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The high reverse implied odds overwhelm the favorable pot odds. Look, there is someone who wants to call on this flop right above me. I rest my case. Maybe you can usually get away from it. Yeah, me too. I do so much getting away from it that I now fold on the button with this garbage preemptively.

Panthro
12-09-2006, 03:01 PM
I call the PF minraise and fold to anything less than 2 pair on the flop. If it helps, tell yourself aloud that you're folding most flops before calling the min 3-bet.

IsaacAsimov
12-10-2006, 11:19 AM
Pot Odds pf are 3.15-1. This means we need to be hitting something worth playing for every 4th time to call profitably = 25 % of the time. In reality though we have to hit the flop less % of the time, since we have implied Odds when we hit two pair or something comparable.
I don't see the reverse implied Odds if we are capable of folding a flop like the one in the given example.
I can't see myself folding this in position pf.

@ urbu 111

Do you think you are ahead on the flop? Do you think that villain will stop firing here out of position on the turn? Maybe he will, but when he doesn't you will probably have to fold (unless you improve), thus the reverse implied odds principle applies.

gimmetheloot
12-10-2006, 12:02 PM
Fold the flop. Yes, its semi-weak, but it will keep you out of a ton of trouble.