bloke3000
12-08-2006, 08:40 PM
Hi, Ive come off my worst session ever after what was a pretty good week, and its this session i want to discuss. I didnt really lose any big pots, but seemed to not be able to get any value from sort of 77-JJ pairs when overcards floppped.
Ive been playing a 16/12/3.8 type game with a lot of cbets making my flop aggression 6.17. Im thinking that this is getting much too high for these stakes?
I 9 table so more detailed reads on villians are hard. These two JJ hands are against the same villian. ~80 hands with 56/6.4/1.1 stats. Both these hands were towards the end of those 80 hands which makes me think he was actully watching how i was playing on the flop.
Hand #1
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $54.50
UTG+1: $40.25
CO: $151.15
Button: $50.70
SB: $19.15
Hero: $61.75
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif
2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds.
Flop: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, Hero calls.
Turn: A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($33, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $5</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to Button.
Results:
Final pot: $33
Hand #2
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
Hero: $59.95
UTG+1: $70.45
CO: $51.10
Button: $43.85
SB: $34.25
BB: $37.25
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif ($4.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, SB calls.
Turn: Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($36.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $16.25</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $16.25 returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: $36.5
Hand #3
Different villian, 59/7.6/2. High turn agresssion of 6 <- should i consider this?
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $41.50
UTG+1: $22.45
CO: $14.95
Button: $19.65
Hero: $56.05
BB: $17.45
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.
Flop: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls.
Turn: 8/images/graemlins/club.gif ($20.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to UTG.
Results:
Final pot: $20.5
Hand #4
And one more JJ hand more good measure. Villian 32/11/1.3 over ~50 hands
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $11.75
UTG+1: $28.45
CO: $48.60
Hero: $66.25
SB: $5.20
BB: $55.55
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5.5</font>, 3 folds, CO calls.
Flop: K/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($12.25, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $16</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $8 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $28.25
Hand #5
Villian 21/15/1 over ~66 hands. This was about hand 50 with villian.
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.80
CO: $49.50
Button: $15.15
Hero: $49.50
BB: $25.50
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $2.5</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.
Flop: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($6, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $4</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $4 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $6
Hand #6
And to finish off a slightly different hand, unknown villian:
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $52.45
UTG+1: $45.30
CO: $39.85
Hero: $49.70
SB: $34.20
BB: $51.60
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($5.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $10</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to UTG+1.
Results:
Final pot: $13.75
Basically this whole session i lost 5 buyins in ~1000 hands with similar hands, were i bet what looks like an ok flop with hands in my 16% VPIP range, get called or raised and i find a fold. Should i just not be betting the flop so much? I might post some more hands along this theme later if there is any interest (theres a lot of them!).
I guess theres a small theme of me folding to weak bets on the turn here when theres even a hint that im beat, im not sure if its isolated to this session. This session i called 4.5% of bets on the turn, is this normalish? (with 56% check and 25% fold, 12% bet). I think my turn play in particular could use some work, so any thoughts would be appreciated!
Ive been playing a 16/12/3.8 type game with a lot of cbets making my flop aggression 6.17. Im thinking that this is getting much too high for these stakes?
I 9 table so more detailed reads on villians are hard. These two JJ hands are against the same villian. ~80 hands with 56/6.4/1.1 stats. Both these hands were towards the end of those 80 hands which makes me think he was actully watching how i was playing on the flop.
Hand #1
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $54.50
UTG+1: $40.25
CO: $151.15
Button: $50.70
SB: $19.15
Hero: $61.75
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif
2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds.
Flop: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, Hero calls.
Turn: A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($33, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $5</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to Button.
Results:
Final pot: $33
Hand #2
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
Hero: $59.95
UTG+1: $70.45
CO: $51.10
Button: $43.85
SB: $34.25
BB: $37.25
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif ($4.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, SB calls.
Turn: Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($36.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $16.25</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $16.25 returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: $36.5
Hand #3
Different villian, 59/7.6/2. High turn agresssion of 6 <- should i consider this?
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $41.50
UTG+1: $22.45
CO: $14.95
Button: $19.65
Hero: $56.05
BB: $17.45
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.
Flop: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls.
Turn: 8/images/graemlins/club.gif ($20.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to UTG.
Results:
Final pot: $20.5
Hand #4
And one more JJ hand more good measure. Villian 32/11/1.3 over ~50 hands
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $11.75
UTG+1: $28.45
CO: $48.60
Hero: $66.25
SB: $5.20
BB: $55.55
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5.5</font>, 3 folds, CO calls.
Flop: K/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($12.25, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $16</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $8 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $28.25
Hand #5
Villian 21/15/1 over ~66 hands. This was about hand 50 with villian.
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.80
CO: $49.50
Button: $15.15
Hero: $49.50
BB: $25.50
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $2.5</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.
Flop: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($6, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $4</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $4 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $6
Hand #6
And to finish off a slightly different hand, unknown villian:
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)
Stack sizes:
UTG: $52.45
UTG+1: $45.30
CO: $39.85
Hero: $49.70
SB: $34.20
BB: $51.60
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($5.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $10</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to UTG+1.
Results:
Final pot: $13.75
Basically this whole session i lost 5 buyins in ~1000 hands with similar hands, were i bet what looks like an ok flop with hands in my 16% VPIP range, get called or raised and i find a fold. Should i just not be betting the flop so much? I might post some more hands along this theme later if there is any interest (theres a lot of them!).
I guess theres a small theme of me folding to weak bets on the turn here when theres even a hint that im beat, im not sure if its isolated to this session. This session i called 4.5% of bets on the turn, is this normalish? (with 56% check and 25% fold, 12% bet). I think my turn play in particular could use some work, so any thoughts would be appreciated!