Question only for devout atheists

[MaxWeiss]

I know it's a small sample size, but I am curious to see if, even with the sample size there is a significant correlation. I predict there will be, but let's find out.

[arahant]

'reality has a well-known liberal bias'
also...'devout atheists'? I get your point, though.

[Hopey]

Please make a similar poll about our views on masturbation and pre-marital sex. Believe it or not, most of us are okay with those things too.

[ojc02]

You should have a separate poll for the theists if you want to see a difference.

You can't really get a correlation with nominal data but you there would likely be a significant difference between the answers for theists and atheists

[arahant]

not me, man...that's why i support gay marriage.

[Hopey]

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not me, man...that's why i support gay marriage.

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Well, move to Ontario then. We'll marry you and your boyfriend without batting an eyelash.

[MaxWeiss]

Sorry. So far it's 8-0 pro.

[arahant]

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not me, man...that's why i support gay marriage.

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Well, move to Ontario then. We'll marry you and your boyfriend without batting an eyelash.

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whoa...you got me all wrong! (not that there's anything wrong that...)

[Silent A]

I'm still trying to figure out what a "devout" atheist is.

I don't want to skew your results.

Do I have to be an overly zealous preacher who goes around trying to prove to everyone that God definitely doesn't exist?

Or is it enough to simply be comfortable and reasonably confident in my lack of belief?

I like to think of myself as a "serene" atheist, don't know if that makes me "devout" though.

[MaxWeiss]

A simple lack of belief in god will do! It was mostly a joke. Sorry about the confusion!

[arahant]

I'm sure there's been polling on this by someone. Maybe we should start asking if there are any atheists that oppose gay marriage.

[DougShrapnel]

Define married. equal rights under the law, yes. Equal rights under a private organization no. Not because they(gays) shouldn't have it, but becuase people(mistaken people) have the necessitity to place value on wha tthey believe is valuable.

[evank15]

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not me, man...that's why i support gay marriage.

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Well, move to Canada then. We'll marry you and your boyfriend without batting an eyelash.

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Gay Marriage is a Charter issue in this country. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ensures fairness and equality for every single Canadian, be they black/white/yellow/green/disabled/native/gay/straight/neo-con.

It really is a non-issue. Equal rights for all. Denying that is one step away from women not voting and black slaves.

[MidGe]

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Equal rights for all. Denying that is one step away from women not voting and black slaves.

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Ahhh! What else is there to say! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Magic_Man]

If you voted no, why?

[MaxWeiss]

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If you voted no, why?

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[keith123]

probably because they don't believe the state should be sanctioning any marraiges.

[Prodigy54321]

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probably because they don't believe the state should be sanctioning any marraiges.

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that is basically my position, but I voted yes

[arahant]

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probably because they don't believe the state should be sanctioning any marraiges.

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that is basically my position, but I voted yes

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Well done. Too many people here who seem to be way too literal to grasp the spirit of the question sometimes...

[MaxWeiss]

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Well done. Too many people here who seem to be way too literal to grasp the spirit of the question sometimes...

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And thanks for recognizing that. I put it up too fast before I really thought about all the possibilities.

[BobOjedaFan]

I am an atheist.

I believe that the state SHOULD sanction marriage because the institution itself is important in human society and it is neccasary for our protection. Imagine a state where people could proclaim love for one another and to live together, one gets a job, one raises the kids and then after 30 years the one with the job picks up and leaves. No legal protection for the housewife?, Chaos

I am AGAINST gay marriage because the current state of marriage is in wide dissaray (50%? of 1st marriages end in divorce) Now is certainly not the time to be changing the rules to it just to accomodate a small % of people who have an abnormality. Yes homosexuality though it doesn't make you a bad person, is not 'normal.' What's next, should people be allowed to marry animals, children? where do we draw the line.

However I don't believe any of my beliefs because Jesus said so or because Allah hates gays. I don't believe in them either. There you just found an atheist against gay marriage for logical reasons. yay!

[valenzuela]

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What's next, should people be allowed to marry animals, children? where do we draw the line.

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How about consenting adults?

[madnak]

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I am an atheist.

I believe that the state SHOULD sanction marriage because the institution itself is important in human society and it is neccasary for our protection. Imagine a state where people could proclaim love for one another and to live together, one gets a job, one raises the kids and then after 30 years the one with the job picks up and leaves. No legal protection for the housewife?, Chaos

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Why does legal protection have to be contingent on marriage? Oh wait, it doesn't. That's exactly why marriage is such a backwards thing as a state institution.

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I am AGAINST gay marriage because the current state of marriage is in wide dissaray (50%? of 1st marriages end in divorce) Now is certainly not the time to be changing the rules to it just to accomodate a small % of people who have an abnormality. Yes homosexuality though it doesn't make you a bad person, is not 'normal.' What's next, should people be allowed to marry animals, children? where do we draw the line.

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Consent seems to work okay. Abnormality certainly doesn't. Moreover, 50% of marriages end in divorce so we should restrict marriage? Some reasoning. How about, for starters, why is it the government's job to make sure marriages are stable in the first place? Isn't that kind of, by definition, a personal thing?

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However I don't believe any of my beliefs because Jesus said so or because Allah hates gays. There you just found an atheist against gay marriage for logical reasons.

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Well, the first sentence is true...

[vhawk01]

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What's next, should people be allowed to marry animals, children? where do we draw the line.

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How about consenting adults?

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Yeah, is that seriously some sort of novel idea that doesn't occur to people making the absurd slippery slope fallacy about gay marriage?

[MaxWeiss]

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I am an atheist.

I believe that the state SHOULD sanction marriage because the institution itself is important in human society and it is neccasary for our protection. Imagine a state where people could proclaim love for one another and to live together, one gets a job, one raises the kids and then after 30 years the one with the job picks up and leaves. No legal protection for the housewife?, Chaos

I am AGAINST gay marriage because the current state of marriage is in wide dissaray (50%? of 1st marriages end in divorce) Now is certainly not the time to be changing the rules to it just to accomodate a small % of people who have an abnormality. Yes homosexuality though it doesn't make you a bad person, is not 'normal.' What's next, should people be allowed to marry animals, children? where do we draw the line.

However I don't believe any of my beliefs because Jesus said so or because Allah hates gays. I don't believe in them either. There you just found an atheist against gay marriage for logical reasons. yay!

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Thank you very much for the post. I was curious about a "why" from an atheist, and now I have one. I of course dispute your reasoning, and if you really want to get into it, you can PM me and I can break it down for you. But anyway, I appreciate the response. Thanks!

[MaxWeiss]

It's 69-11 in favor. It's stayed that way for a while, so I figured I can post it now.

[MaxWeiss]

Edit: It's already now 78-11. I think it jumped when I bumped the thread. It was a significant enough jump though that I felt I should repost it.

Sorry to bump my own thread again.