Translation Of The Bluff Interpretation of Non Believer's Afterlife?

[David Sklansky]

Putting it in crass form and meaning no disrespect, would it be accurate to say that the following is a simple way to explain how Catholics reconcile some non believers being saved without violating the "all who are saved are saved through Jesus" precept:

A rabbi dies. He has led an exemplarly life. He has been charitable, kind, and empathetic to all people he encounters. He prays to the god who he believes created the universe and was revealed to humans through Noah, Abraham, and Moses. He thinks most Christians are good people who will go to heaven in spite of the fact that they are mistaken in thinking that Jesus is the son of God. Not a big deal. They were taken in, in his mind in a similar fashion to the way most Christians think Mormons were taken in regarding Joseph Smith.

When he dies it comes to God's attention. One of those "special cases". And what does he do in those special cases? He assigns his son Jesus to look into it. And to make the decision. So the rabbi is brought to Jesus who starts off the interview with "Surprise. Didn't expect to see me here did you? Well if you want to stay here it will be because I deem that you should. Me, no one else. Which I very well might because of the way you led your life. Not perfectly but in a way that allows you this special interview with me (an interview that most Chrisitans can bypass). So lets have a little chat and see if I can get you to see the light about things. But I'm not promising anything."

Is this a reasonable translation of the way BluffThis gets around the seeming contradictions. Could Not Ready or KU Justin possibly accept something like this?

[Thremp]

DS,

My $50,000 challenge to you is to read about Christian theology before you make more of these idiotic posts.

[vhawk01]

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DS,

My $50,000 challenge to you is to read about Christian theology before you make more of these idiotic posts.

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Can I recommend you read more BluffThis and NotReady posts on this topic before YOU make more idiotic posts?

[madnak]

Funny you mention the Mormons - this is basically what they believe.

[RJT]

It’s not very complicated.

From Matthew Chapter 25, verses 31-46:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,

and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,

naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'

Then the righteous will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'

And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'

Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'

He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'

And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

[Magic_Man]

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It’s not very complicated.

From Matthew Chapter 25, verses 31-46:
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Ok, so what I get from this is "do unto others as you would do unto Jesus, and you will go to heaven." Is that about right?

~MagicMan

[David Sklansky]

Sounds good to me. But it can't be that simple. Plenty of Christians seem to have clear reasons to think this passage doesn't mean what you think it means.

[DougShrapnel]

Hey RJT, generally a good quote but one question that I hope you can explain a little.

"into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Does the fire being eternal equate to one burning eternally? I'd be OK with this version of God as just, only if entrnal fire doesn't translate into eternal punishment. The last sentence And these will go off to eternal pusishment, what are the chances of a mistranslation?

[MidGe]

What has he got against goats?