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Bowlboy
11-30-2006, 11:40 PM
Just sat down at table couple hands ago so no reads advice on all PF and flop pretty standard but turn and river I'm not sure.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($24.65)
SB ($25.40)
BB ($4.50)
UTG ($35.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($2.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($7.50) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($7.50) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $11.50

Leviathan101
11-30-2006, 11:44 PM
standard. Seems fine to me.

FearNoArt
11-30-2006, 11:50 PM
I think it's fine, but i'm probably folding the riv, if he held an Ace, I would think he would have made pot size bet on flop, that.5 bet smells like he's drawing and may have hit flush on turn, and certainly with /images/graemlins/diamond.gif on Riv i'm even more inclined to fold.Maybe i'm too consevative.

Leviathan101
12-01-2006, 12:39 AM
I call cause I think this is sometimes a bluff and sometimes a worse pair. You're getting 4.5:1 on your river call.

blackize
12-01-2006, 01:03 AM
I don't think the bet on this river is a bluff very often certainly not ~20% of the time. The 1/5 pot bet on the flop is almost always a draw and usually a flush draw.

Shaddux
12-01-2006, 01:10 AM
No one likes a turn bet?

blackize
12-01-2006, 01:15 AM
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No one likes a turn bet?

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Not when his flop bet usually represents a draw that just came in.

FYI I call the river if it isn't a diamond.

Kmon
12-01-2006, 01:17 AM
I could see a bet on the turn to see if he made the flush or not and end it there. Or know where I stand. WHat happend?

Shaddux
12-01-2006, 01:21 AM
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No one likes a turn bet?

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Not when his flop bet usually represents a draw that just came in.

FYI I call the river if it isn't a diamond.

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I don't think his horrible bet sizing necessarily means he has a flush draw.

Leviathan101
12-01-2006, 01:42 AM
I agree. I would also consider calling the river just to see what he has.

blackize
12-01-2006, 01:53 AM
I can't even remember a time where I saw a bet this small and it wasn't either a draw or an idiot milking 2 pair or a set.

Check_The_Nuts
12-01-2006, 01:54 AM
Please don't call river.

I think I'd raise river bet. hard to say for sure tho.

Leviathan101
12-01-2006, 01:55 AM
Why would you raise river?
For value? What calls the raise?
As a bluff? What better hands fold? Maybe two pair?

Check_The_Nuts
12-01-2006, 01:56 AM
blackize, how big a river bet if no diamond? [censored] you call a full pot....

blackize
12-01-2006, 02:01 AM
I'd probably fold to full pot readless. Guys like this almost never pot it though, I'd expect exactly what happened, a 1/3 pot bet and I'd probably call up to about 1/2 pot

Check_The_Nuts
12-01-2006, 02:05 AM
bad diamonds, bad aces, two paired hands would fold. Villians line doesn't make any sense for a hand that would be played UTG. His river bet is a blocker a lot of the time IMO.

This is a bluff of course. We represent a good king or queen of diamonds. Villian should fold. You should know whether he's braindead or not to make this bluff.....

cool blackize, I currently call up to 2/3 pot on river. Probably a leak....AJ is a big losing hand for me.

Leviathan101
12-01-2006, 02:08 AM
I dunno if villian would fold any of those hands other than bad aces which we already beat. I'd have to be confidant he would fold to make this move. We are throwing a decent amount of chips at the pot, and I've seen players call river raises with 2 high flushes, because they "know" you're bluffing.

blackize
12-01-2006, 02:14 AM
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This is a bluff of course. We represent a good king or queen of diamonds. Villian should fold. You should know whether he's braindead or not to make this bluff.....

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Just for emphasis. There are way too many players who will call with an ace or two pair or a set "just to see it" and who can't fold because they have a flush and flushes are the nuts to make this play very frequently.

Sir Winalot
12-01-2006, 03:57 AM
Maybe slightly more preflop but otherwise this is goot. Turn check is standardo. I usually just fold this river.

King Car
12-01-2006, 04:07 AM
I like flop.

I like turn.

I think the river is a fold.