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munkey

11-30-2006, 11:52 AM

After carnivalhobo's post bet sizing and hand reading (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7926945&an=0&page=0&gone w=1#UNREAD) I thought I'll post a little hand reading quiz for fun and help the newer folks to start thinking about putting villans on hands.

For each question give a range for villan and also the hand you think Villan most likely holds.

e.g. range : {22+, Aks+} most likely hand: AA (black /images/graemlins/tongue.gif j/k AA is fine as an answer)

Just to make it more interesting, whoever gets all the most likely hands right first or is closest will win a small prize
- I'll pay for their entry into one of the Stars uNL($10+1) lorez-riggaments /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Munkey's decison is final, no purchase necessary yada yah.. Any mistake(s)/clarifications just ask in the thread.

All these hands actually occured - I am only hero in 1 or two but Hero is always a PT rated TAG ( 20/10/2 at least for all intents here) To make it challenging I've given only villan's PT stats and not any notes I may hold on villan.

Edit: This has been sitting on my desktop unfinished gathering dust - time to post it and be damned /images/graemlins/grin.gif

1. Villan is 34/14/4 122 hands(hds)

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $45.95
UTG+1: $35.05
CO: $19.40
Button: $52.15
SB: $37.25
BB: $32.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 raises to $3.75, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls.

River: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($18.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG+1 raises all-in $26.3, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $70.85

2. 53/13/2.5 over 30hds 7 flop aggression

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($7.75, 4 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG+1 raises all-in $27.9, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($63.55, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.55)

River: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($63.55, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.55)

Results:
Final pot: $63.55

3. Villan (MP1) is 16/6.5/2 over 108hds

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $24.07
UTG+1: $60.68
MP1: $36.92
MP2: $29
MP3: $31.49
CO: $28.05
Button: $24.89
SB: $24.40
BB: $12.13

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds , SB calls, BB folds.

Flop:Flop: 3/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.57, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Turn: 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($10.96, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, MP1 raises to $14, SB folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $7 returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: $24.96

4. 50/26/4 over 80

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $132.85
CO: $356.65
Button: $109.05
SB: $129.05
BB: $42.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $5, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($15.5, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $15.5, BB calls, CO folds.

Turn: 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($46.5, 2 players)
BB is all-in $21.6, Hero calls.

River: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($89.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $89.7)

Results:
Final pot: $89.7

5. 22/16/1.95 286hds

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $95.50
UTG+1: $236.40
CO: $42
Button: $88.20
SB: $77.15
Hero: $125.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
2 folds, CO raises to $3.5, Button folds, SB raises to $11.5, Hero calls, CO folds.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($26.5, 2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero raises to $30, SB calls.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($86.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero is all-in $84.2, SB calls all-in $35.65.
Uncalled bets: $48.55 returned to Hero.

River: Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($157.8, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $157.8)

Results:
Final pot: $157.8

6. 50/23/3.8 river aggr 13 over 111hds

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $13.30
UTG+1: $9.50
CO: $49.95
Button: $29.90
SB: $84.55
Hero: $81.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1.5, 3 players)
SB bets $1.5, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 7/images/graemlins/club.gif ($9.5, 2 players)
SB bets $9.5, Hero raises all-in $76.7, SB calls.

River: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($162.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $162.9)

Results:
Final pot: $162.9

7. Villan (SB) is 20/5/1 over 189 PT rated rock

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.15
UTG+1: $9.5
CO: $227.70
Button: $105.95
SB: $89
BB: $95

Pre-flop: (5 players) BB is BB with xxxx
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks.

Turn: 7/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $1, SB calls, BB calls.

River: 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($6, 3 players)
SB bets $6, BB folds, CO raises to $12, SB raises all-in $87, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $180

8. Villan (BB) is 18/8/2.3
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $174
Hero: $22.85
CO: $34.10
Button: $22.75
SB: $44.95
BB: $52.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB raises to $2, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif ($12, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: T/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($12, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $12

Wilco23

11-30-2006, 12:07 PM

This looks great. Can't wait to try it.

However, it looks like there are two 4 of spades in the last example.

munkey

11-30-2006, 12:14 PM

well spotted wilco tks /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Not sure what happened there that hand got really mangled
-turn and river not what I've got on my desktop.

tks

Imrahil

11-30-2006, 12:18 PM

Thanks, this is going to be fun.

Hand #1: range: {TT,AK,AA} , most likely hand: AA

Hand #2: range: {A8+, 76s, any two hearts}, most likely hand: two hearts, like JTs.

Hand #3: range: {33,55,88}, most likely hand: 88

Hand #4: range: {T9, 98, TT, 44}, most likely hand: 44

Hand #5: range: {AA,QQ,TT}, most likely hand: QQ

Hand #6: range: {Qx of hearts, Kx but not two pair, Ax of hearts, T9, QT}, most likely hand: Ax of hearts.

Hand #7: range: {77, 22, A2), most likely hand: 22

Hand #8: range: {77-JJ, AK), most likely hand: AK

Gelford

11-30-2006, 01:07 PM

Tl;dr

but as far as I got (Edit: OK I finished it)

1. I put him on KK, but Ax (most likely AK, but only god knows) is also likely

2. This is the easy one, 88 or 55 (with an AK, AQ trown in, but I doubt it)

3. Either a PP or an Ace of some sort. (You are minraised pwned)

4. Holla ... practically anything, overpair, straigt, straightdraw, two pair ... I suspect being behind, but would most likely spitecall anyway.

5. Big pocketpair or AJ ... I am guessing AA,QQ, JJ, or TT ... although a fool sometimes plays AK this way.

6. Who cares, you have got teh nutz

7. A slowplayed deuce most likely or he has backed into a straight

8. Here we watch Hero butcher a hand, why are there no bets, but only calls ??? I guessing two high cards of some sorts .

HotdogPoker

11-30-2006, 01:14 PM

Okay, I'll play, but I think I suck at this /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hand 1: With a PFR of 14, I think the range of him reraising preflop can't be huge. Given preflop action, I would put his range at JJ+, AK. This looks suspiciously like a slowplayed set, so I will put him on AA. I have found that aggressive players are more likely to check a monster like this on the flop.

Hand 2: It's too bad we don't have CCPF. While he's loose, it could mean he limps a lot of hands but doesn't cold call a lot. Range: 22+, any two broadway suited or unsuited. Most likely hand: villain is decently aggro, so I think he could do this with a flush draw or a decent (but weaker) ace. There isn't that much to go on, but I will just go with AJ.

Hand 3: Here, a nittier player. Coldcall preflop with those stats looks like a medium pocket pair, maybe a hand like AQ or KQ. I doubt a tighty would call a bet on a dry board with just overcards. I doubt he has the 5 also, and I'm also doubtful he would call preflop with 33, so I'll roll with 88.

Hand 4: Loose and in the big blind, his range is pretty big even against a raise. Any two connectors 54+, any pocket pair, any two broadway. Most likely hand: tough one. This action is screwing me up. Given the pot size, would villain think an all-in would push Hero out if Hero had a hand (which he has representing)? Probably not, so a made hand looks more likely. 87 might fit the bill here.

Hand 5: Villain's stats look similar to mine. Range: JJ+, AK. This looks like an overpair to the flop that is unsure, so QQ.

Hand 6: Preflop range is pretty much any two. Villain likes his hand enough to fire out on the flop, and again on the river after getting raised. Villain is aggro, so he could even have just one pair, but I doubt even someone like that would lead again on the turn with just one pair on a board like that. QJ?

Hand 7: Rocky, passive. Range preflop: Small or medium pocket pair, any two broadway that's not AK. This is a slowplayed *something*, as he was going for the overcall on the turn and now needs to bet the river to avoid it getting checked through. Villian looks really strong here, probably filled up somewhere along the way. Any of 77, 99, TT, but since I have to pick one, I'll go with 77 so that one is most likely to be limped.

Hand 8: Another tighty, out of position. Small PFR range: JJ+, AK. It doesn't look like he connected with anything, and the flop bet was just a standard c-bet. AK?

Jigsaws

11-30-2006, 01:22 PM

Alright. Let's try this.

Hand 1: AA, TT, AK. Most likely: AA.

Hand 2: A2+, xhxh, 76o, 88, 55. Most likely: AJ.

Hand 3: 33, 55, 88. Most likely: 33 or 88.

Hand 4: 98, T9, 99, 56, TT, J9. Sometimes 44, 77, 88. Most likely: 98.

Hand 5: QQ, JJ, AA. Most likely: QQ.

Hand 6: xhxh, KT, QT, JT, T9. Most likely: T9.

Hand 7: 22, 77, 99, TT. Most likely: 77.

Hand 8: AK, obviously. Maybe 88, 99, AJ. Most likely: AK.

kazana

11-30-2006, 01:31 PM

1) {JJ+, AQs+, AKo} most likely: AA
2) {22-JJ, AJ-AQ, suited connectors/1-/2-gappers} most likely: 76s
3) {22-TT, Axs} most likely: A5
4) {22-TT, any Ace, any two suited, any connectors/gappers} most likely: A9
5) {JJ+, AQs+, AKo} most likely: JJ
6) {ATC} most likely: T9
7) {AJ+, Axs, 22-QQ, suited connectors} most likely: TT
8) {AJ+, 99+} most likely: AK

BombayBadboy

11-30-2006, 01:57 PM

Very nice post sir. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I'll try w/o readin the other answers.

Hand 1: TT,QQ+ or AK.

Hand 2: Any two hearts, any ace, 88 and 55.

Hand 3: 33,55 or 88.

Hand 4: 65,87,98,T9,44,77-TT.

Hand 5: JJ+, sometimes 55 or 33.

Hand 6: KJ,QJ,KQ,QT,JT,T9,KT or random hearts.

Hand 7: A2,22,77,TT.

Hand 8: AK or AJ.

Esmerelda

11-30-2006, 02:35 PM

1) Range = {TT+, AK} Hand = AA
2) Range = {55, 88, suited heart connectors, A8s,A5s} Hand = 9h8h
3) Range = {33,55,88} hand = 33
4) Range = {98s,87s,65s, 44,77,88, 99} hand = 65s
5) Range = {QQ+} Hand = AA
6) Range = {QJ,KJ,KQ,AT,KT,T9} hand = KcJc
7) Range = {T2,92,72,J8,86) hand = Brunson
8) Range = {77-99,JJ} hand = 99

RAHZero

11-30-2006, 02:56 PM

Hand 1:

One of the toughest types to read. I'd say {ATs,AK,TT,AA}, with TT being most likely.

Hand 2:

Could have quite a bit on this flop. I'll go with {A8,A5s,Axs,ATo+,xhxh} with 6h7h being the most likely.

Hand 3:

Easiest one to read, a nit flat called the flop and raised the turn. {33,55,88, with a very outside chance of 99,TT,JJ}, 88 the most likely.

Hand 4:

Man, this guy has a huge range here. I'll say {22+, suited connectors 56-JT} with T9s as the most likely.

Hand 5:

He's a TAG so his 3-bet range has to be pretty narrow. As played, {JJ+} with AA being the most likely.

Hand 6:

He's a maniac, but he'd have to be insane to call the turn push without a very strong hand. I'll go with {T9,KQ,KJ,QJ}, with T9 as the most likely.

Hand 7:

He's obviously got a monster here. Something like {22,77,TT}, with 22 the most likely.

Hand 8:

Hmm, looks like a standard c-bet with a whiffed hand to me. I'll give him {AJ,AK}, with AK the most likely.

wallywojo

11-30-2006, 03:03 PM

OK, I give too much credit to my opponent most times, so hopefully this will help seeing others ranges.

Hand 1 RANGE: TT,AA,AK,AQ | LIKELY: AA because of flop check
Hand 2 RANGE: 55,88,99,TT,67o,A8,A5,AK,AQ,any two hearts | LIKELY: QhJh due to shove
Hand 3 RANGE: 33,55,88 | LIKELY: 88
Hand 4 RANGE: A8,T9,98,T8,TT,99 | LIKELY: 98
Hand 5 RANGE: QQ+ | LIKELY QQ
Hand 6 RANGE: AT,T9,KQ,KJ,QJ | LIKELY: T9
Hand 7 RANGE: 22,77,99,TT | LIKELY: 22
Hand 8 RANGE: 33,77,88,99,AJ,AK,KJ | LIKELY: AK

Imrahil

12-01-2006, 09:54 AM

Munkey, are we going to get the answer to these?

Antinome

12-01-2006, 10:43 AM

1. {TT+,KQs,79s,AQ+}:QQ
2. {A5+,55+,x/images/graemlins/heart.gify/images/graemlins/heart.gif}:85
3. {TT+,33,88}:88
4. {89+,97+,44+}:9T
5. {JJ+}:QQ, sick suckout
6. {two pair}:KJ
7. ......99
8. ......AK

thac

12-01-2006, 11:11 AM

Okay I clearly went all-out with my reads. I didn't read replies and made comments in Notepad, now that I scroll down I could've put into 1-line answers. Heh.

1. Reraises UTG raise preflop, probably AJ+, TT+. Doesn't C-bet on a flop that's generally likely to hit him. AA seems out of the question, as do AJ-AK. I'm guessing JJ-KK. Flat calls a turn bet and shoves overtop of your river bet with no fold equity. I'm guessing he has TT.

2. Villains range is wide as he just flat calls you and he's a 53/13 even though it's a very small sample size. He seems to be calling with a lot of connectors and suited aces or suited cards in general according to the numbers. He overbet shoves over your continuation bet, probably a combo draw. I'm gonna say 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif5/images/graemlins/heart.gif or K/images/graemlins/heart.gifX/images/graemlins/heart.gif.

3. Again, villain's range is wide since he just flat called preflop. His numbers are tighter than the previous villain, so I'm going to tighten his range to only pocket pairs or Ace-x. He flat calls the flop, so he either hit part of it or thinks that you didn't. His minraise on the turn is screaming a set. I'm gonna guess 33.

4. BB calls your raise OOP, but he's a 50/26 so he could have a lot of hands. He checks and calls a pot-size bet, and calls an allin on the turn. He's also a shortstack so he most likely is a weak player. I think he plays like this with any pair, and I think it is something like TT-88, gonna lean towards TT, don't know why, just a gut feeling.

5. Solid TAGgy numbers, looks like he may be a 2+2 poster/reader. Calls a reraise in position, I would say AJs+, and any pair. He leads into you and calls a minraise, and check-calls an allin on the turn. This may be AJ, I don't think a set plays this way, I think it's AJ.

6. Limped pot, usually in my experience is two high cards or two medium-strength connecting cards. He leads into two players and called your reraise. Then he leads into you for pot again and calls your overbet reraise allin. I think he has T9, possibly of hearts. Either T9 or KQ, but leaning towards T9.

7. SB completes, probably with any two because they love to complete in uNL. He checks the flop, which is pretty standard and check-calls a small bet on the turn. May be a deuce, but I don't quite know. I would put SB on a deuce, maybe A2. His pot lead on the river screams a monster, but I don't know what is a monster to him. I would say A2 or K2.

8. Villain raises after two limpers OOP, and makes a continuation bet on a low, connecting board. I think any overpair does this, as does a diamond draw. Villain is pretty aggro postflop, so he may be betting with overs, but I don't think he'd do that into a 3-way pot. He checks the turn, so I think it may be diamonds, and he checks the river, which makes me think he has the diamonds, possibly A/images/graemlins/diamond.gifK/images/graemlins/diamond.gif or A/images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

munkey

12-01-2006, 11:13 AM

Imrahil

Ye I post the answers Sunday ~7PM UK- so that'll be the closing date.

kokiri

12-01-2006, 12:04 PM

awesome - here's my 5 minute punt:
1) AK, TT+ mostlikely TT
2) 55,88,99,TT, 89h 78h AT-AK, most likely TT
3) 99-QQ, most likely, TT...(hmm) and I don't like hero's play
4) 56,78,89,TJ, 44, A9, AT most likely 56
5) TT+, ML QQ
6) 9T, KQ, KJ, QJ. ML KJ
7) 22, 77, 99, 9t, ML TT
8) Ax where x not paired, ml AJ

Leviathan101

12-01-2006, 02:34 PM

[ QUOTE ]
1. Villan is 34/14/4 122 hands(hds)

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $45.95
UTG+1: $35.05
CO: $19.40
Button: $52.15
SB: $37.25
BB: $32.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 raises to $3.75, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls.

River: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($18.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG+1 raises all-in $26.3, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $70.85

 AK, AA, KK maybe TT. AQ & AT possible but unlikely 

2. 53/13/2.5 over 30hds 7 flop aggression

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($7.75, 4 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG+1 raises all-in $27.9, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($63.55, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.55)

River: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($63.55, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.55)

Results:
Final pot: $63.55

 A8-AK, A5, 88, 55, 76 /images/graemlins/heart.gif, other flush draws, possible slow played AA. Leaning towards a flush draw or a strong ace. 

3. Villan (MP1) is 16/6.5/2 over 108hds

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $24.07
UTG+1: $60.68
MP1: $36.92
MP2: $29
MP3: $31.49
CO: $28.05
Button: $24.89
SB: $24.40
BB: $12.13

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds , SB calls, BB folds.

Flop:Flop: 3/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.57, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Turn: 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($10.96, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, MP1 raises to $14, SB folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $7 returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: $24.96

 Looks like a set 

4. 50/26/4 over 80

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $132.85
CO: $356.65
Button: $109.05
SB: $129.05
BB: $42.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $5, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($15.5, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $15.5, BB calls, CO folds.

Turn: 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($46.5, 2 players)
BB is all-in $21.6, Hero calls.

River: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($89.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $89.7)

Results:
Final pot: $89.7

 56o or suited, 44, 77 pretty sure this guy would raise 88 and 99 on button. maybe 77 too. Slowplayed AA?

5. 22/16/1.95 286hds

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $95.50
UTG+1: $236.40
CO: $42
Button: $88.20
SB: $77.15
Hero: $125.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
2 folds, CO raises to $3.5, Button folds, SB raises to $11.5, Hero calls, CO folds.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($26.5, 2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero raises to $30, SB calls.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($86.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero is all-in $84.2, SB calls all-in $35.65.
Uncalled bets: $48.55 returned to Hero.

River: Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($157.8, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $157.8)

Results:
Final pot: $157.8

 JJ-AA and you got pwned. Every single one of those hands eats you alive. 

6. 50/23/3.8 river aggr 13 over 111hds

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $13.30
UTG+1: $9.50
CO: $49.95
Button: $29.90
SB: $84.55
Hero: $81.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1.5, 3 players)
SB bets $1.5, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 7/images/graemlins/club.gif ($9.5, 2 players)
SB bets $9.5, Hero raises all-in $76.7, SB calls.

River: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($162.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $162.9)

Results:
Final pot: $162.9

 QJ, T9 most like. 77 is a bit of a stretch. 

7. Villan (SB) is 20/5/1 over 189 PT rated rock

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.15
UTG+1: $9.5
CO: $227.70
Button: $105.95
SB: $89
BB: $95

Pre-flop: (5 players) BB is BB with xxxx
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks.

Turn: 7/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $1, SB calls, BB calls.

River: 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($6, 3 players)
SB bets $6, BB folds, CO raises to $12, SB raises all-in $87, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $180

 really not sure about this one. I'd guess one of them has a 2 and the other set. Might be set over set. SB probably has 77, 99, A2 

8. Villan (BB) is 18/8/2.3
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $174
Hero: $22.85
CO: $34.10
Button: $22.75
SB: $44.95
BB: $52.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB raises to $2, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif ($12, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: T/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($12, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $12
 AK, AJ 

[/ QUOTE ]

HobbitFeet

12-01-2006, 04:31 PM

Hand #1
Villain is loose aggressive so his range is wide. I think his reraise preflop is possibly a pair or some suited connector since he has position over you. The check on the flop looks a little weak and the call on the turn looked like he picked up a heart draw and his river all-in was probably a desperation move to take the pot down.

Villain range {Suited Connectors, Weak Ace, or TT}

Hand #2
Villain Super Loose-Passive/Aggressive

Villains range {Suited Connectors of Hearts}

Hand #3
Villain is a TAG here.
Villains range {AA-TT}

Hand #4
Well this is probably an ugly hand. Villain is super loose.
I think Villains range is {9xTy, 5x6y, Ad5d, Ad6d} where x,y could be any suit.

Hand #5
Villain range {AdKd, AdQd, AA-99}

Hand #6
Villain range {KJ, QJ, KQ, Any 2 Hearts}

Hand #7
CO has a set of 2's and SB has a straight.

Hand #8
Villain has AK.

kbrat

12-01-2006, 06:26 PM

Hand 1 - {AA TT AK AT} - TT
Hand 2 - { 88, 55, AK-A2, 85s, any two hearts } - AxTh
Hand 3 - { JJ-88, 55, 33 } - 55
Hand 4 - { AA, 56, QdJd, Adxd, 87-86, 98-97 } - Adxd
Hand 5 - { JJ-AA, AK } - QQ
Hand 6 - { 77, KT-JT, Acxc, Tcxc, T9, Ahxh } - JcTc
Hand 7 - { 22, 77, 99, TT, 8J, 86 } - 8J
Hand 8 - { AK, JJ } - AK

wingchunflush

12-01-2006, 07:58 PM

wow reading this post is an awakening. I am really bad at hand reading. I cant narrow it down the way yall do. Anything I can do to get better, other than play a lot of hands?

Willd

12-01-2006, 08:22 PM

Ok I thought I'd have a go at this. I had a quick glance at other posts before posting this and think I may have missed a few flush draws from my hands but I didn't change these from my original thoughts.

Hand 1:

TT+, AQs+, AKo - most likely hand: I think he plays AA, TT and AK more or less this way. However he is probably more likely to bet the flop with AK than AA or TT and since there is only 1 combination of AA left I think most likely is TT.

Hand 2:

55, 88, ATo+, A8s+ - with such a high VPIP he probably has a fairly wide range to call you with preflop. With his flop action it seems very likely that he has at least an ace so I think AQ is probably most likely hand.

Hand 3:

33, 55, 88-JJ - Villain is obviously very TAG so I don't think he's going to be turning up with A5/8 about ever. It is less likely that he has 33 and 55 than 88 since 33 is less likely to call preflop and there is only 1 combination of 55 left. The turn raise could be either a raise trying to probe you for information with a marginal overpair or a raise to try to keep you in the pot. I think it is more likely he would raise an overpair on the flop so a slow played set seems more likely. Most likey hand 88.

Hand 4:

56s, 78s, 89s, 79s, JTo, JTs, A8s, 44, 77-QQ - villains range is huge here. He is obviously very LAG so it's possible he called you with any reasonable suited connectors, 1 gappers, any pair etc. To call you c-bet he obviously must have hit some part of the flop (even just a gutshot if he's really bad) or have an overpair since he has no chance to bluff you later in the hand. There are a hell of a lot of hands that are beating you here, however his most likely is probably TPTK on the flop, A8, and judging by the turn it is likely to be of diamonds.

Hand 5:

JJ-AA, AJs - A tag reraising you is most likely to be TT+, AQs+, AKo, however depending on the situation AJs could be included in this as well. Him calling your min-raise on the flop skews this towards the upper end of the range (I don't think TT would call it and obviously AQ/AK won't). That basically leaves him with AA/QQ/JJ on the turn, all 3 of which would probably c/c since they have no FE vs anything except a bluff which might just try again. I think at this stage both AA and QQ are equally likely, the only possible difference could be that AA might reraise the flop so I would say QQ was most likely when the money went in (this changes if I take the river into account though so I'm not sure which I should say)

Hand 6:

KQ, KJ, QJ, KT, QT, JT, AT, 9T Qhxh K7 - before the flop/turn action villain could probably have just about any cards that aren't worth a raise. When he leads the flop I probably put him on some kind of combo draw or 2 pair type hand. I think having called the turn overpush he can't have just a bare king and the absolute worse I would put him on is Qhxh. I think a hand like KT is probably more likely though, maybe even something as strong as QhTh but I think KT is his most likely holding.

Hand 7:

2x, weighted towards a full house, 77, 99, TT - I can't see him ever turning up with less than a 2 here, almost never less than 2s full. The way he woke up on the river suggests it is most likely to be 29 or 99. Since he is tight preflop there is a decent chance he doesn't complete with 92 from the sb so I think 99 is the most likely hand.

Hand 8:

AK, AJ, 77-99 - I can't see any other hand that plays this passively. I think even 77-99 are likely to bet the river so AK and AJ seem most likely, and since he is raising from OOP AK is more likely than AJ.

Shaddux

12-01-2006, 08:56 PM

1. {AA, AK, AQ): my guess is AA
2. (88, 55, 76s, A8, A5}: 55
3. {88, 55, 33}: 88
4. {AA-77, 44, JT}: QQ
5. {AA-JJ}: AA
6. {AT, T9, QJ, K7, Q7}: T9
7. {TT, 99, 77, A2, K2, T2, 92, 86, J8}: 99
8. {AK, AJ, 99-77}: AK

Disconnected

12-01-2006, 10:30 PM

OK, let's see how it goes....tried to do these as first impressions, giving myself not much time like game time. Nice exercise.

1. {88, TT, AA, AK}, AA
2. {55, 88, AA, A5, A8+}, A8
3. {33, 55, 88}, 88
4. {99, 98, JT, 56}, 98
5. {QQ+, AJ}, AJ
6. {JJ+, 7Q-7K, T9, QJ, KJ, KQ, AT}, T9
7. {22, 77, 99, TT, 23+, 86, J8}, J8
8. {22, AJ, AK, KJ}, AK

Check_The_Nuts

12-01-2006, 11:13 PM

ummm hand 7 - TT 77 22. Seeing some weird answers like A2 or AK?! The guy probably doesn't call turn with 99. I'd give 99 as an outside shot. He also wouldn't complete T2 in the SB.....? I doubt he'd slowplay A2 either.

lol nevermind I kept mixing up hand 8 and hand 7 when I was reading it.

udbrky

12-01-2006, 11:45 PM

I answered preflop range for the range, and most likely hand after the action postflop.

1. TT+, AQ+ most likely - AQ

2. 22+, Ax, 87+ most likely - 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

3. 88+, AJ+ most likely 88

4. 22+, Ax, 98+ most likely T9

5. 77+, AJ+ most likely AJ

6. ATC most likely Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif T /images/graemlins/club.gif

7. ATC most likely T8

8. TT+, AQ+ most likely AK

bsheck

12-02-2006, 12:09 AM

Without looking at any of the replies:

Hand 1:
{AA, TT}
I would put him on AA because with a set of tens I would believe he'd bet out, or at least raise on the turn. The river shove is bad news.

Hand 2:
{88, 55, AQ, K/images/graemlins/heart.gifQ/images/graemlins/heart.gif}
My best guess here is 88, a reasonable call from second position. The overbet shove is bad news, seems to more often than not be a very strong hand. He wants action from an A. don't give it to him.

Hand 3:
{55, 88, 33}
Any one of these probably calls from the SB preflop for set value. Getting checkraised on the turn on this dry board is bad news. Good fold. I'm going to guess 55 as his most likely hand because it would just be sick for him to turn up quads, but I really believe it's equally likely he has any of these 3 hands (with maybe a small chance of a goofy hand).

Hand 4:
{66, 88, 77, 44, 87, 65, 55}
I think BB's range is pretty wide here. He basically pot committed himself on the flop, so open-shoving turn can mean a wide range of hands. Most likely hand here is just a guess.

Hand 5:
{QQ, JJ, AA, KK}
He's got the set or the overpair here. I just go ahead and threeraise preflop, you're going to end up going all the way with it unless an A shows up on the flop, so save yourself the trouble. If he has AA, so be it. Postflop, SB seems a little worried here, but he's not getting away from it. Just smells like QQ here to me, as he could be worried about JJ or a smoothcall from AA or KK. Brutal river man, sorry.

Hand 6:
{QJ, KJ, KT}
Those are the only three hands I can reasonably put him on. He seems pretty strong, so I would lean towards one of the two pair hands. He also seems to be a fish, so of course he can't get away from it.

Hand 7:
{A2, 2xs}
I put the SB on a 2 here. A2 (probably suited) makes the most sense as a hand to complete with. Can't imagine he'd complete with T2, 72, or 92, so I'd dismiss a boat. The bet/3bet is very strong, so I'd also dismiss 97 (that's actually what I put the CO on).

Hand 8:
{AK, KJs}
Ace-king is really the only hand that makes sense here for the BB. Can't think of another hand that he'd raise with preflop, continuation bet, and then shut down for the rest of the hand. I'd give KJs a small possibility (not necessarily diamonds, any suit because it would probably make the hand strong enough to raise) but I'd say AK.

NextMyth

12-02-2006, 12:45 AM

1. {88,TT,AA,AK} most likely: TT
2. {55,88,A8,A5,Two hearts} most likely: A8
3. {33,55,88,AA} most likely: 88
4. {56,67,78,89,9T} most likely: 9T
5. {JJ+,AJs} most likely: AA
6. {JQ,9T} most likely" 9T
7. {JT,QT,AT,33-66} most likely: 55
8. {AK,AJ,88-99} most likely: AJ

kokiri

12-02-2006, 03:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
wow reading this post is an awakening. I am really bad at hand reading. I cant narrow it down the way yall do. Anything I can do to get better, other than play a lot of hands?

[/ QUOTE ]

bottom line - practice. playing hands is obviously good, but you've got to actually try to put people on hands. You'll suck at first, but trying and failing is the path to success.

first, wait to see the results - i have a feeling we're going to prove to be worse at hand reading than we all think. By way of example, AA appears to be the majority's favourite hand in hand 1, despitwe the fact that TT is 3 times as likely on pure combinatronics. I'm not a good enough hand reader to say that villains line is 3 or more times less likely w TT than AA. Also there's always an implicit 10% 'or some other crap that makes no sense' option within any hand range

second - read the 'in the well' advice from the likes of El Diablo and Aba - they stress hand reading skills a lot. I'm am increasingly of the opinion that hand reading IS ssnl. It's easy to play a lot of hands, and probably win, without any real effort to read op's hads. I am surprised an disappointed the way that a lot of posted questions, and indeed answers, make no effort to put villains on a hand. Only by doing that, in my view, can you begin to work out how to play a hand.

MM_red33

12-02-2006, 09:11 AM

Im new here goes.

1. AT and up, 88pp and up. I think he has 88.

2. 87s 89s maybe 8 10s. I think he has 89s

3. 89 and up. I think he has 8 10o

4. QQ, KK, AA. I think he has AA.

5. JJ-AA. I think he has JJ

6. AJs-AKs. i think he has AKs.

7. A7-A10. I think he has A7o

8. AJ-AK. I think he has AJo.

So when do we find out.

munkey

12-03-2006, 03:46 PM

Quizarro Answers

1 . { JJ+,AQo+} QQ
I was actually Hero in this hand and had been 3betted a fairbit by him - I wasn't sure in this hand if he had AA -his flop check was suspicious as as others have said - his non-turn raise reduced chance of TT IMHO -I thought slowplayed AA but by the river decided he would have to show me. I agree with RAHzero these kinds of LAG players are harder to read.

2. { Ax weak kicker,Ax where x is a heart, /images/graemlins/heart.gif fdraw, set} A/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I was Hero again and actually posted this hand -I remember dbitel mentioning Ax/fdraw was alot of his range in a similar SSNL post.

3. {33,55,88, 5x{56 SC/A5 SA}.. slowplayed AA} 88
Ah the turn minraise - means 1pair is beaten.

4. { srtr8/flsuh draw/2pair/set} 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
I orginally wasn't going to post villan's stats -this was very hard even so esmerelda and kbrat got the exact hand.

5. {JJ+} QQ
Taggy player 3bets in SB and continues and ends up AI turn.
IMHO BB(another TAG) played this semi-well.

6. {2 broadway 2pair, ATo, Tx +fdraw, spade/heart fdraw +pair, combo str8draw/fdraw,77 e.t.c } K/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hard one again given villans stats hence I guess why the turn was shoved given how scary the river woudl've been vs this maniac.

7. {22,99,A2 suited, TT,77} 99
I put villan on 22/99/ more than 77,TT as I guessed even a tight rock minraises the turn for value /images/graemlins/grin.gif

8. { AQo+, 2 broadway without queen} AK
TAG PFR 2 limpers and cbets then shutddowns - I think most got this one -either exact AK or whiffed overs.

(any errors srry /images/graemlins/blush.gif )

Thing I noticed reading the different replies -alot of players ranges covered Villan's hand/type of hands that would enable us to play correctly vs most of villans range -e.g. in hand 7 vs. rock as long as we read him for a near-nut FH we could play correctly off that. Noneed to get tied up in trying to put villan on an exact hand IMHO - that was just for this practice/makes it easier to decide a winner. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

And the winner is Antinome . Congratulations. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Incidentally the only one to give QQ as the exact hand in no.1.

To all that took part I hope you found it a bit of fun
and maybe learnt something -I did.

munkey

kbrat

12-03-2006, 03:58 PM

I found it interesting that Villains sometimes have dodgy stats but play hands perfectly fine, which results in us(me) not putting them on certain hands

Antinome

12-04-2006, 11:51 AM

Well, 5/8 isn't bad, but 2 of the 3 I put opponent on an exact hand that might have made me play incorrectly.

Hand 2 I said 58. This answer was whimsical, I would actually have played against his range, and played this correctly.

Hand 4 I completely didn't believe he flopped the joint. I would have paid him off all day. Not sure why.