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Check_The_Nuts

11-30-2006, 01:59 AM

Villian is 70/6/1.4. Bets around 20% of hands, calls 15%, folds 18%/10%/15%. Not sure what he plays like this. Cbet 75% of the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($14.30)
BB ($11.80)
Hero ($15.60)
MP ($7.45)
Button ($5.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $0.4, 3 folds, BB raises to $1.2, Hero calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.45) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.45) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4.

River: ($13.45) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero (?)

Brian O'Nolan

11-30-2006, 02:26 AM

Why aren't you 4 betting the [censored] out of him preflop? I hate that line.

Check_The_Nuts

11-30-2006, 02:28 AM

cause if I 4 bet, my range would be exactly AA/KK. I feel like this is too tight....

Brian O'Nolan

11-30-2006, 02:40 AM

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cause if I 4 bet, my range would be exactly AA/KK. I feel like this is too tight....

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Do you really think your opponents at 10/25 NL are thinking any higher than level 0 often enough for that to matter? 4 bet and build a big enough pot that villain has to get jacks or queens all in on a ragged flop.

Check_The_Nuts

11-30-2006, 02:41 AM

This is 10NL.

At my 25NL tables the fish is usually 40/20/3. The standard loose player is 30/20. I think they are smart enough to realize I only 4bet AA/KK, yes.

SpecT

11-30-2006, 02:42 AM

4bet PF so u dont have to worry bout [censored] like this on the river as the money will already be in the middle, or u will have won an uncontested pot

stadler

11-30-2006, 02:46 AM

[ QUOTE ]
This is 10NL.

At my 25NL tables the fish is usually 40/20/3. The standard loose player is 30/20. I think they are smart enough to realize I only 4bet AA/KK, yes.

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i think you are wrong assuming that they would put you on a hand that strong. most of the players at these stacks are only thinking of what they got and not really putting their opponents on a range of hands. therefore i think a 4 bet is necessary.

Sir Winalot

11-30-2006, 04:00 AM

I would raise preflop to 3. Valuebet river all day.

Archon_Wing

11-30-2006, 11:35 AM

Calling pf isn't that horrific, depending on opponent tendencies and I don't really want to win the pot preflop anyways. ;p However, as played pot the damned flop and turn so you'll have an easy decison on the river. This is a RR pot, so I doubt he's going to be getting away from it soon

avfletch

11-30-2006, 11:41 AM

[ QUOTE ]
This is 10NL.

At my 25NL tables the fish is usually 40/20/3. The standard loose player is 30/20. I think they are smart enough to realize I only 4bet AA/KK, yes.

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But you should be smart enough to realise that they only 3bet with AK/JJ+ most of the time and can't fold any of that to a push. Get it in preflop and save yourself the effort.