KJs gross flop action (50 6m)

[HitNRunPoster]

Preflop raiser is something like 20/10/3 and the flop pusher is 46/26/1.7 or something.

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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $17.72
UTG+1: $39.95
CO: $41.93
hero: $51.85
SB: $53.43
BB: $14.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $7.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($23.25, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $7</font>, UTG+1 folds, hero calls.

Final pot: $37.25

[Gravy]

This is a really light 3-bet preflop; I doubt a 20/10 is opening anything that will fold to a 3bet preflop, and his range likely has you crushed. Flop action sucks... probably a fold but it's close.

[abarrenfuture]

Looks like major spew to me. Let this one go

[mrpotto]

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Looks like major spew to me. Let this one go

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Fold.

[hockeyplayer33]

Yea technically this is a fold. Your getting a good price but your probably facing a set here. I don't know why you re-raised UTG with KJs, this is how problems begin. SO the flop comes out you missed, someone goes all in in front of you, and now you don't know what to do. Don't raise people in EP with a mediocre hand like KJ, pick your spots better.

[egocidal]

I dont repop it PF, but since you did.... with 23 in there and 7 to call...ugh no let it go methinks.

[Sir Winalot]

I wouldn't usually do this preflop with KJ because it's way too easily dominated, but on the occation this might be good. Just don't make it a habit of yours. IMO the flop call is as standard as it gets.

[holdme]

I don't repop pre, but you can't let it go for 3.5:1.

[abarrenfuture]

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I don't repop pre, but you can't let it go for 3.5:1.

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Looks like Hero has possibly 6 outs possibly less, who knows if they're clean. I cant see him being ahead more than 5% of the time here. Calling, even at this price seems pretty leaky.

[HitNRunPoster]

After reviewing the discussion, I think it's a fold.

Thanks for your help guys.

Results: I called and got shown either jj or 99.

It was a slightly -EV call considering pot odds (-$0.70 or something), and then worse considering the rake (-$1'ish).

That's a PTBB right there, and this is conceivably one of the very best spots for me. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[orange]

PF is pretty gross. Not really sure I like the RR much. Calling on the button seems okay, folding might work too.

Flop call is pretty meh all together, I prefer folding though.

[HitNRunPoster]

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PF is pretty gross. Not really sure I like the RR much. Calling on the button seems okay, folding might work too.

Flop call is pretty meh all together, I prefer folding though.

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I screwwed up my PFRR size a bit. It should have been to 7.25 instead of 7.50. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Does a PFRR become more appropriate when UTG+1 has a full stack rather than when he has 80bb?

At this stage of my game, I prefer folding over calling preflop, because I don't have any clue as to how post-flop after calling. Concept of the week thread??? /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[orange]

Yeah, stack sizes make this hand a bit awkard for a RR. I also don't really like RR-ing w. KJs much. I also prefer RR-ing OOP than in position most times.