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Hanibbal
11-28-2006, 11:06 PM
UTG seems solid, UTG +1 is quite passive. My first idea was to C/R the flop.

1) Is the flat call from UTG+1 scary?

2) Is it more +EV to just call here or should I semibluff AI?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $80.70
UTG+1: $17.10
CO: $28.45
Button: $16.10
Hero: $18.20
BB: $26.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($4.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $2.5</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ?</font>

55555
11-28-2006, 11:10 PM
i would just call, i'd want want a couple more outs to push.

+ having both players in will likely give you better odds to draw on your flush to the river if you miss on the turn.

Oranzith
11-29-2006, 01:12 AM
yeah, just call. wrong type of hand to push. they are giving you immediate odds to call.

ImprovinNewbie
11-29-2006, 01:29 AM
you diplayed strength PF and hit a great flop for you, nut flush and a big over, even backdoor straight poss. raise that [censored] up. 6-7. he might fold to a nice push here but i LOATHE pushing on a draw for fear not making my hand.

Gravy
11-29-2006, 01:38 AM
I lead this flop 100% of the time after the way preflop action went.

MrMysterious
11-29-2006, 01:41 AM
I lead these flops hard, i mean, at least 3/4 pot. if they raise you, push. between the times they fold to your initial psb, fold the reraise all in, or call but you hit your draw, your good.

on a side note, this play is also done with sets to balance it out a bit, so your opponents can't call profitably with just any tpgk type hand

the only thing that sucks about this typa play is when you bet pot, get 2 callers, and miss your draw. i usually fire a second barrel there, but im not sure thats correct, cause you pretty much commit yourself to the pot if you get raised on a blank turn.

egocidal
11-29-2006, 01:46 AM
Bet out flop, pot it at most. As is I call the bet and see turn. UTG+1 is probably on a weaker draw.

lacrymosa
11-29-2006, 01:50 AM
lead the flop, and call a raise.

Dastone
11-29-2006, 01:56 AM
I lead this flop just about every time. 4 bucks seems about right to me, maybe pot since there is two opponnents.

As played call, you're getting a nice price with that hand and draw.

eigenvalue
11-29-2006, 08:12 AM
I like to play for my entire stack in these spots. Unfortunately, in my last attempts I never hit my flush or my overcard(s). But I keep reraising all-in here. If I loose, it's at least very good for my image. Other players will know that I'm reckless at times and that I don't fear to go all-in. That's a profit in the long run, even if I loose that one hand.

eigenvalue
11-29-2006, 08:16 AM
You explained why it is better to check-raise all-in here. We don't want to see a missed draw on the turn OOP. So don't lead, but check-raise!

BukNaked36
11-29-2006, 12:28 PM
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you diplayed strength PF and hit a great flop for you, nut flush and a big over, even backdoor straight poss. raise that [censored] up. 6-7. he might fold to a nice push here but i LOATHE pushing on a draw for fear not making my hand.

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Pot is at $9.50ish and hero only has $19. Makes this a push or call.

Villians have done a bad job of charging you for your draw and given you great odds. You're a 2:1 dog to AJ. I think I just call here.