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Brettster

11-28-2006, 05:15 PM

Anyone like this fold vs an unknown?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $75.90
UTG+1: $50.45
CO: $79.15
Button: $109.25
SB: $17.25
Hero: $52.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
3 folds, Button raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, Button calls.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif ($12.25, 3 players)
Hero bets $9.5, Button raises to $26, Hero Folds

Anyone play this differently, especially the flop against an unknown?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $59.60
Hero: $49.80
CO: $77.45
Button: $22.60
SB: $76.85
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $23, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($48, 2 players)
BB is all-in $29, Hero calls all-in $28.8.
Uncalled bets: $0.2 returned to BB.

martijn

11-28-2006, 05:27 PM

I was just at the same table with you with the KK hand, so I may be a bit result oriented, but I'dd fold it, youre only beating QQ here.

the qq hand, vs an uknown, I'm shoving there, I've folded there to much and people showing AJ to me...bah

Phytopath

11-28-2006, 05:28 PM

I fold both, against unknowns Hand 2 is alot easier than hand 1.

limit refugee

11-28-2006, 05:56 PM

Hand 1 really can go either way, depending on mood. He may be flexing his big stack, but still leaning towards a fold, looks like he may want you to call.

Hand 2, grumble and fold, you were once looking good...now, not so much. Not too many hands call the big 4 bet. Most of them are now ahead of you.

dlong226

11-28-2006, 05:59 PM

Hand 1: I would call. He could be doing this with OESD or FD or a weak J

Hand 2: Fold

Shaddux

11-28-2006, 06:01 PM

Hand 1 is read dependent. I fold against an unknown. I fold hand 2.

dwatts1350

11-28-2006, 06:06 PM

Hand 1: I push
Hand 2: I fold.

danny8

11-28-2006, 06:38 PM

i push hand 1 and fold in hand 2.. sucks, but theres so little you beat here.

bobmarley

11-28-2006, 06:43 PM

Both are fairly easy folds in my opinion. First hand I call if i have good read on the villian, otherwise i fold for sure. Second hand i fold immediatley.

kazana

11-28-2006, 06:59 PM

Vs unknowns these are two easy folds for me.

You may have the best hand in either of them, but are toast in most cases with almost no chance to improve.

Brettster

11-28-2006, 08:19 PM

Yea I agree on the second, it was very dumb. 1st one I guess was close, but does everyone push here with KK and AA in hand 1?

danny8

11-28-2006, 08:38 PM

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Yea I agree on the second, it was very dumb. 1st one I guess was close, but does everyone push here with KK and AA in hand 1?

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without a read im never folding aa/kk here. Far too often this is a draw/AJ/KJ

AmonRaa

11-28-2006, 08:43 PM

Hand 1 is read dependant.
Hand 2 is clear fold.