NL50: Can I sell this as a flush?

[chesspain]

Bodog full-table. No read on UTG; we both have approx. $50.

Preflop: BB posts $0.50. chesspain is SB with A /images/graemlins/club.gif K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, 6 folds, <font color="red">chesspain reraises to $7</font>, SB folds, UTG calls $7.

Flop: ($14.50) 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="red">chesspain bets $10</font>, UTG calls $10.

Turn: ($34.50) J /images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="red">chesspain bets $15</font>...

[davidyang]

I think this is major spewage, especially with no reads.

[Sir Winalot]

Well, he can't really continue without the A/images/graemlins/spade.gif or K/images/graemlins/spade.gif if you bet. Maybe bet closer to 20 or just push, but if he's got the A then bye bye money.

[Supwithbates]

No offense, but this is awful.
What hand is smoothcalling your flop bet unless it has an ace or king of spades already in it?

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Well, he can't really continue without the A/images/graemlins/spade.gif or K/images/graemlins/spade.gif if you bet. Maybe bet closer to 20 or just push, but if he's got the A then bye bye money.

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This post is pretty spot on. Also, as much as I love to continuation bet, I think you should give serious consideration to check/folding the flop.

[Eagle Eye]

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I think this is major spewage, especially with no reads

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Very much agreed. Theres no way this will work. Stack sizes need to be alot deeper to even consider it.

[Hattifnatt]

Bet 18 on the turn and give up if called or raise obv. Just c/f'ing is fine too.

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Bet 18 on the turn and give up if called or raise obv.

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I don't see how betting 18 rather than 15 really will make any difference one way or another.

[chesspain]

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No offense, but this is awful.
What hand is smoothcalling your flop bet unless it has an ace or king of spades already in it?

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Maybe any premium pair without a spade?

[Hattifnatt]

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Bet 18 on the turn and give up if called or raise obv.

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I don't see how betting 18 rather than 15 really will make any difference one way or another.

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&gt;1/2 pot.

[Wizzawig]

I don't like this, I think it may be OK if villian didn't raise pf but as played once he calls your CB I think he has a spade.

A tight villan may fold 66, 77, 88, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif9, T/images/graemlins/spade.gifT here and premium pairs without a spade but I think this isn't enough to justify the turn bet.

Just check fold the turn.

[chesspain]

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Bet 18 on the turn and give up if called or raise obv.

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I don't see how betting 18 rather than 15 really will make any difference one way or another.

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&gt;1/2 pot.

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But in this particular situation, how does betting 18 rather than 15 affect the decision made by an average, NL 50 player?

[Hattifnatt]

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Bet 18 on the turn and give up if called or raise obv.

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I don't see how betting 18 rather than 15 really will make any difference one way or another.

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&gt;1/2 pot.

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But in this particular situation, how does betting 18 rather than 15 affect the decision made by an average, NL 50 player?

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Its not a big deal obviously, but when I looked at the hand it felt like there is a somewhat higher chance he is folding a semi high spade or something like 2 pairs if you add 3 bucks.

[kazana]

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No offense, but this is awful.
What hand is smoothcalling your flop bet unless it has an ace or king of spades already in it?

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Maybe any premium pair without a spade?

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I believe the majority of those hands would opt for a raise/fold line on that flop.

[chesspain]

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Bet 18 on the turn and give up if called or raise obv.

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I don't see how betting 18 rather than 15 really will make any difference one way or another.

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&gt;1/2 pot.

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But in this particular situation, how does betting 18 rather than 15 affect the decision made by an average, NL 50 player?

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Its not a big deal obviously, but when I looked at the hand it felt like there is a somewhat higher chance he is folding a semi high spade or something like 2 pairs if you add 3 bucks.

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If that was your actual feeling/belief, then cool. Clearly, I believe that in NL it's important to bet no more than necessary to get the job done (Miller &amp; Sklanksy '06). FWIW, as a predominantly limit player, I just find it silly and frustrating here in the microNL to see posts where, say, someone raises one limper preflop for x4BB, and someone else responds "Raise x5BB."