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clownslayer2
11-21-2006, 06:47 PM
after he checked the turn i thought he had a flush draw, then i was confused at the river.

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CO ($10.35)
Button ($9.05)
SB ($9.70)
BB ($1.80)
UTG ($15.25)
Hero ($8.80)
MP1 ($11.60)
MP2 ($6.05)
MP3 ($11.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.40.

Flop: ($1.65) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.6</font>, CO calls $1.60, UTG folds.

Turn: ($4.85) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($4.85) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero.....?

Unknown Soldier
11-21-2006, 06:58 PM
your cbet is way too much, bet around $0.9 for a cbet, but I'd check this anyway. As played I like your turn check. Fold the river, this is a weak A alot.

robinmbuk
11-21-2006, 06:59 PM
The bet on the end could either mean a missed flush draw that is now betting because you showed weakness after cheking the turn, or he has a weak ace, and after you checked the turn thinks it's good because you would have bet the turn with AK, AQ. Think you gotta fold this unless villian is prone to making large bluffs with missed flush draws.

Vammakala
11-21-2006, 07:01 PM
The Hero..... ? is red so i guess you raised? I don't like it. I think call or fold. He's either got a missed spadedraw or weak ace.

Archon_Wing
11-21-2006, 07:10 PM
I like the flop bet, it shows strength, as we could easily still have the best hand, of course villian didn't mind calling so that's usually bad news.

Villain here seems to be playing it honestly, so he's probaly not doing this with air. He called the flop thinking he might be ahead (weak ace, some pocket pair) or maybe he has some draw. He slowed down on the turn only to bet out at the 10. How does the 10 help him? It's hardly a scare card. That bet definitely is not going to push out anyone that's ahead, so it's a bet for value. It's unlikely he has a random 10 and decided to bet. I think it's pretty consistent with how I think he'd play AT, TT or a busted flush draw. T9s is not out of the question either. I think we're beat enough to fold this, unless villian has proven himself to do stupid things.

MrBruno
11-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Out of curiosity... If you were Hero in this hand and had AK or AA instead, would you still bet $ .90 on the flop?

Unknown Soldier
11-21-2006, 09:08 PM
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Out of curiosity... If you were Hero in this hand and had AK or AA instead, would you still bet $ .90 on the flop?

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I'd bet more $1.2 I'd say. Make those draws pay and any A is calling this anyway.

clownslayer2
11-21-2006, 09:47 PM
i would bet the pot, because in what ive learned from reading here never slow play. always bet at it if u hit it from what ive learned, then if u dont hit it they think u did when u bet it.

Bantam222
11-21-2006, 09:55 PM
weak ace?
fold

Unknown Soldier
11-21-2006, 09:56 PM
there are hands you can slow play. Eg you have JJ and the board is J72r I would slow play this, you want your opponent to catch up. But as a general rule don't slow play. It will get you in trouble more often in not. Remember KISS!

checkmate36
11-21-2006, 10:04 PM
If I were hero I would have bet 1/2 pot on the river.

Not sure if thats a good line or not. Folding to a raise if one should come.

Hellmouth
11-21-2006, 10:09 PM
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If I were hero I would have bet 1/2 pot on the river.

Not sure if thats a good line or not. Folding to a raise if one should come.

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I agree. This is the perfect example of a value bet. I fold to a raise. Somewhere between 50% and $3 is probably good.

Greg