25NL: TPWK + NFD on flop gets minr

[kerplunkNL]

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UTG ($36.20)
Hero ($39.35)
Button ($25.90)
SB ($79.75)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, Hero...

Over a small number of hands (~40) is villain: 20/4.

What do I do here? I want to raise, but I probably have to call an AI by villain then, or not?

[Unknown Soldier]

given stack size of villain you might aswell push here, any raise will make him pretty much pot-comitted anyway.

[Wu36]

if hes been aggressive, id be more inclined to push. if he seems nitty id just take the odds and call.

[Check_The_Nuts]

I'd call, and consider open shoving any turn.

edited to add: I consider this a value push, not a bluff.

[Vammakala]

Calling and open shoving $20 into $10 pot? Interesting. I think raising here is the best option since you're only behind against a set really, he could have weaker ace, weaker flushdraw or whatever. What ever you decide to raise, I think the rest is going in on turn anyway.

The problem with NOT pushing is that you might get into an iffy situation on turn.

The problem with pushing rightout is that most people read it as a draw and you'll be flipping coins a lot of the time.

You're getting tremendous odds for a call so that's not a bad choise either. I think both are fine, pushing/raising is the high variance way, calling leaves you some implied odds to put in when he's close to dead. If you think he'll pay your flush/two pair up once you hit, call. If you think he's more likely to fold to a push than to pay off, pooosh it. You can't go wrong with such monstar ;D

[kazana]

We're also behind better Ace-Whatever which I believe is most likely given villains stats.

I wouldn't mind to play this for flush value and try to get a value bet out of villain if we hit.

[kerplunkNL]

Well, I got the odds to just call this and see a turn. So I called. Thought about shoving, but in the heat of the moment I couldn't think it out. Therefore I went for the cheaper option.

Turn was a nonheart, no 9. I check, he pots the turn. Hero..?

[lacrymosa]

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Well, I got the odds to just call this and see a turn. So I called. Thought about shoving, but in the heat of the moment I couldn't think it out. Therefore I went for the cheaper option.

Turn was a nonheart, no 9. I check, he pots the turn. Hero..?

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easy push. AK/AQ/AJ will call enough to make it profitable

[Sir Winalot]

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Turn was a nonheart, no 9. I check, he pots the turn. Hero..?

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easy push. AK/AQ/AJ will fold enough to make it profitable

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I would usually raise flop to 13-14.

[lacrymosa]

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Turn was a nonheart, no 9. I check, he pots the turn. Hero..?

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easy push. AK/AQ/AJ will fold enough to make it profitable

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I would usually raise flop to 13-14.

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my bad. I read the turn as being a 9.

[BukNaked36]

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Well, I got the odds to just call this and see a turn. So I called. Thought about shoving, but in the heat of the moment I couldn't think it out. Therefore I went for the cheaper option.

Turn was a nonheart, no 9. I check, he pots the turn. Hero..?

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Weak/tight advice of the day

Probably up against better A so..

9 hearts, two 9's - 11 outs ~ 3.5 to hit best case (could be a set)

pot odds 2:1

You're out $5, fold, nh villian

From villians perspective, I like to push turns like this because some people just can't bring themselves to fold a nut flush draw.

[Sam Spade]

The person with the best hand usually isn't the person with the best draw. Villain likely has a better ace or a set, but we have redraws to the nut flush. If villain has a set we are a little less than a 2.5 to 1 dog. Against a better ace we are a coinflip. You could call here looking to improve your hand. The only problem with this is that we are announcing to villain that we have a flush draw, and our action is probably killed if we make our hand. Even though we are a dog to a set, I like a flop push.

[Sam Spade]

Folds. Best case (he has a better ace) we're about a 3:1 dog.

[LMAO]

folding is bad imo. you want to get it all in on this flop, otherwise why play A9s at all?

edit: i didn't see the turn action, however on this flop i generally like to get it in if posible, so i would've reraised and call a push or push myself on turn.

poker stove:

flop:

Board: 4h 8h Ad
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 70.3297 % 68.87% 01.46% { Ah9h }
Hand 2: 29.6703 % 28.21% 01.46% { JJ-22, A8s+, ATo+ }

Turn:
Board: 4h 8h Ad 2s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 58.1169 % 57.17% 00.95% { Ah9h }
Hand 2: 41.8831 % 40.94% 00.95% { JJ-22, A8s+, ATo+ }

[LMAO]

oh yea... given the turn action we probably can tighten his range a bit so its more like 70:30 against than 60:40 for us. so the turn is a fold.

[pokerchap]

push it in?

[wingchunflush]

I like to rr on the flop to try to get it all in. As played I fold on the turn.