+++ The right place for a stack a donk? Help me extract please

[onoble]

PPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($21.70)
Button ($7.80)
Hero ($24.25)
BB ($34.05)
UTG ($34.70)
UTG+1 ($19.25)
MP1 ($26.80)
MP2 ($7)
MP3 ($15.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, BB calls $1, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Flop: ($3) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.25</font>, BB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($5.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3.5</font>

What is the best way to extract here? Push all In? min raise?... please help.

Thanks

[wallywojo]

stacks?

[homeslice]

Stack sizes?

[BombayBadboy]

Stacks are pretty important here.

Bet waaay more on the flop plz. $2.50 is nice.

This is not the place to stack a donk for me..If you both have $25 to begin with, he has about $20 left. Without a read that the guy is a complete donk that calls of with draws or that he likes to semibluff (most 25 average players won't) I think you should just lead the turn and make him pay for what looks like a draw. He has either that, or a the case jack..and the former is waaay more likely.

As played I'd make it 10.

[onoble]

sorry tried out a new conveter... edit made. Also I m new to the table no reads... I've been playing TAG for an orbit or so.

[kazana]

A push will probably make a J fold. A decent raise is a better option.

Due to your tiny flop bet, it's unlikely that you'll get your stack in (and get called). So bet more on the flop even if that means you might take it down right there (also to charge chasers).

Furthermore, I prefer to lead this turn, since a c/r makes any non-3 fear that you've hit trips while any 3 will likely raise your lead anyway. This is the only way to get stacks in the middle.
If your lead gets called, you could overbet the river for value.

[bozzer]

I second that you need to bet more on the flop. Don't worry about scaring people off, it works in the long run when people get hooked into a big pot quickly.

With this sort of hand you just want to escalate the pot size asap, so leading the turn, esp. after the weak-seeming call (the BB will be aware it's weak) might get you your $3.5 more regularly.

But he's bet, so it's good, now just put in a tasty raise, potting it. If he folds, well you've cost yourself a potential small river call, if he calls, he'll really have to call the rest of your stack.

[Sir Winalot]

You can't stack-a-donk since he didn't raise you. 1.5 preflop, 3 on flop, lead turn for 5. As played, raise to 13-15.

[BombayBadboy]

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You can't stack-a-donk since he didn't raise you. 1.5 preflop, 3 on flop, lead turn for 5. As played, raise to 13-15.

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Stack a donk is c/r turn allin after flop lead, no?

[PotatoStew]

Shouldn't the preflop raise have been a little bigger too, with two limpers in already? That would help by enabling larger bets on the other streets.

[the machine]

pot the flop. you have a strong hand but its possible he could have OESD or a FD so that flop bet needs to be higher.

we needs to bet again so we make it eaier to get our whole stack in the middle. we can go for a weaker bet on the turn like 1/2 pot to entice him in and have him get the odds to draw while being dead. check call or check raise is ok but it wins us a small pot unless villain is very very bad

[ChipStorm]

What others said: if you'd made it $1.50 preflop, and close to pot on the flop, there would be $10 in there on the turn instead of $5.50, and stack-a-donk would have been easy. As played, I'd make it $10, and you're in on the river.

[DeuceSeven]

Here's how I would have played it (assume we have $25 stacks and villain calls to the river)

Preflop: raise to $2

Postflop: Pot Size($4.50) hero bets $3, bb calls

Turn: Pot Size($10.50) hero bets $8, bb calls

River: Pot Size($26.50) Say the flush gets there; hero bets all in, bb calls.



As played: I would have led out on the turn putting bb probably on a flush/str8 draw. I'd like to get some money now in case he misses his draw. If villain has a worse full house or an over pair there's a good chance all the money is getting in anyways.

[Hail Eris]

You can't stack-a-donk here because he doesn't usually have a hand he wants to stack off with, and he might be drawing to a second-best hand so you don't want to blow him off. Just pot flop and 3/4 pot on turn. As played, I guess I make a small raise to like $8-9. It's still trivial to get it AI on the river, and he's more likely to call with his draws.

[AliasMrJones]

I would lead the turn for $3.5 rather than try to c/r. A c/r screams strength. If he has something like a flush draw, he's unlikely to call a c/r, but he may call a 1/2-2/3 pot bet drawing dead. If he has a 3, 88 or even possibly a J, he may raise and then you can push over the top and it won't be such a huge overbet like check/pushing would be.

[onoble]

Thanks for your help all.

Actually I pushed all in on Turn and BB folded. Made very little, thanks for the info on how to make more.

[Vammakala]

Yea bet 2/3 or 3/4 of pot on flop and this will be more effective. Pot will be $7 or so on turn if you bet $2 so if you decide to CR, you'll get more in the pot, even if he folds to the raise.

Anyway, the problem with this kind of hands is that it's unlikely your opponent has whole lot unless he slowplayed a big pair or has underset/3. I don't have problem with the line there still.