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mrpotto
11-21-2006, 10:41 AM
Villian seemed a tad loose but only had a few hands on him. Probably should have reraised a bit more preflop no, no?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $27.50
CO: $19.85
Button: $28.55
hero: $24.15
BB: $60.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is SB with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/kd.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/ac.png
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $2</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/4h.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/ah.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-content/images/classic-cards/9h.png ($4.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero ????

degenrat
11-21-2006, 10:54 AM
i hate this spot and fold. if we had a heart i'd say it's a push. without a heart i don't see how we can call/raise here.

homeslice
11-21-2006, 10:59 AM
reload to $25. Preflop is good. W/O reads I fold after button's mini-raise.

BombayBadboy
11-21-2006, 11:21 AM
Preflop is fine.

If he is a tad lose, I'll call and re-evaluate the turn. If he bets big there, he can take it.

Reasons why I don't fold the flop:

- It looks incredibly weak and is very bad for metagame. Even weak opponents will notice when you fold just like that in a reraised pot.

- We could very, very easily have the best hand.

Play poker!

degenrat
11-21-2006, 11:33 AM
"If he is a tad lose, I'll call and re-evaluate the turn. If he bets big there, he can take it. "

What does reevaluate the turn mean. we are oop. What card would lead to a turn bet for us? an Ace? A King?

I think "reevaluate the turn" in this spot sucks, we are OOP.

You want to see where we are in the hand? reraise the flop. you'll find out in a hurry. Otherwise you are calling the flop in hopes of a check check on the turn, which will tell us nothing sans read on the opponent.

Basically with this line we are saying, i don't believe you and am hoping another heart doesn't fall. Right? I hate this line here. i am much happier to fold and move on. The flop bet here takes the pot so many times imp, that calling a raise the 5% of the time it happens is spew.

Bad flop for AKo

inspir3d
11-21-2006, 11:44 AM
i would over bet the pot on the flop. 3/4 pot bet looks weak and allows players to take shots at u and/or draw to their flushes.

and it's easier to fold if u run into a raise.

degenrat
11-21-2006, 11:56 AM
"i would over bet the pot on the flop."

and that looks super weak to an astute opponent, often inducing a raise. I am likely to raise an overbet with air in this spot. BUt if you like donating.....lol.

BombayBadboy
11-21-2006, 12:01 PM
You have a few good points, but if I just call here I could easily have AK with the Kh or KKh. Something like that. It doesnt always mean that we are weak.

I won't reraise, because that an expensive thing to do here, but if you think we are beat here already I think you are wrong. If he checks the turn through, I think we have the best hand. If he best it with force, I let it go.

I'm never folding to such a weak minraise ever in a reraised pot with TPTK.

If I ever see an opponent doing this, I'm going to raise his flop bets all day long.

eigenvalue
11-21-2006, 12:24 PM
This is a typical RIO situation, so fold ...
... and study the uNL Concept of the week - week 5 - by EMcWilliams!

eigenvalue
11-21-2006, 12:29 PM
There's a well known internet pro who suggests just the opposite: Bet 1/4 to 1/3 of the pot and see what Villain does. I think that any bet higher than 1/3 of the pot is "donation" in this case.

Antinome
11-21-2006, 01:55 PM
1/4 pot?

here you go sir, please have odds to draw... on me.

no.... I insist. Ah, a heart. Well, done sir! Here's my stack.

mrpotto
11-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Thanks everyone. I now have confirmation that I misplayed this hand. I reraised all-in and villain made an easy call with q-7 of hearts. Hee-haw, bye-bye stack. I'm reading the RIO thread again.