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iSTRONG

01-02-2006, 09:21 PM

He's not a bot for sure. and it is possible to play 30 tables. After seeing him the other day I tried myself & managed to do 20 (on a laptop screen). He plays a very simple strategy. playing extremely tight early levels and the all-in or fold later on. Don't get me wrong... it's hectic! but not impossible.

MrBlueNose

01-02-2006, 09:22 PM

He isn't a bot, just a (very) fast clicker.

Hendricks433

01-02-2006, 09:24 PM

This has been going around for a couple weeks now. 30 tabling is possible. You do not need to play post flop poker to beat sng's. Its a push fold game in the late game. I havent seen him play but he probally only plays QQ-AA in the first levels and maybe AK and pushes a ton late. Raptor was 20 tabling succesfully so Im sure someone can 25-30 table if they can click fast enough. Not much attention is needed. Just see the cards and the action and push or fold.

r3vbr

01-02-2006, 09:25 PM

It's possible to 30-table but you burn out pretty quick (1 hour max and u start tilting)

bigballz

01-02-2006, 09:30 PM

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I never said it was a 17 inch monitor. Im just telling you what he told me at the table. I never said if it was actually true or not. And yes, he did act quickly at the tables where we were together.

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I talked to HIM, and HE said he plays on a 17inch monitor. I was not saying what you said was [censored], i was saying playin 30 tables on a 17inch monitor while chatting is highly unlikely.

Al P

01-02-2006, 09:56 PM

He's telling someone in chat now that he 40 tables...

edfurlong

01-02-2006, 10:03 PM

He apears to be in 27 right now. Wow.

He's from Poughkeepsie? Ewww.

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 10:16 PM

maybe a bot is playing and the account holder do the chatting (to avoid suspicion)...

Kazuma

01-02-2006, 10:20 PM

Sometimes I search for gank on stars and I see that he has over 25 tables open sometimes. I don't think anyone here would say he is using a bot, so it is possiable to do.

CCx

01-02-2006, 10:21 PM

he's got 38 open now... more power to him, wonder what his ROI is

DFb3

01-02-2006, 10:22 PM

Has anyone figured out if ths guy is actually making money/winning? I just watched one of his All-ins and he had only a small pair into a field of people and lost to someone that apparently realized that he was 35435 tabling by the amount of guests in the chat asking and the randomness of the hand he called the all-in with.

OldYoda

01-02-2006, 10:24 PM

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maybe a bot is playing and the account holder do the chatting (to avoid suspicion)...

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Gotta be a bot or a team. Currently playing 38 sNg's - I don't think that is possible for one man.

bigballz

01-02-2006, 10:24 PM

he says its 35% and that hes up 4k in the last few weeks

DFb3

01-02-2006, 10:25 PM

Man, this guy is responding too much and too fast to be 38 tabling.. I think he's using a bot or a team and chatting like someone already suggested, to avoid suspicion.

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 10:25 PM

it's obvious, but does it really matter?

FYYFF

01-02-2006, 10:28 PM

He just finished 4th in one I was playing in. Played tight all the way got all in with AK v AQ and the other guy spiked a queen.

bigballz

01-02-2006, 10:28 PM

he sits there while the bot plays, can poker stars detect this?

DFb3

01-02-2006, 10:28 PM

It's hilarious, lol and yes they have some sophisticated technology but I'm not sure how detection works exactly... I'm sure he will get banned eventually though if that's what he's doing.

slickpoppa

01-02-2006, 10:34 PM

This has to be a bot. No way anyone could play 37 tables, especially once they get shorthanded.

ColdCaller

01-02-2006, 10:37 PM

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This has to be a bot. No way anyone could play 37 tables, especially once they get shorthanded.

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You guys are serious conspiracy theorists. I remember when no one could believe ZeeJustin was 16-tabling SnG's. This is very possible.

slickpoppa

01-02-2006, 10:40 PM

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This has to be a bot. No way anyone could play 37 tables, especially once they get shorthanded.

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You guys are serious conspiracy theorists. I remember when no one could believe ZeeJustin was 16-tabling SnG's. This is very possible.

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Its been done before. There was a bot named Saabpo on party SNGs a while ago. And think about the difference between 16 and 37 tables.

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 10:41 PM

it's a bot, c'mon face the reality, he's chatting too! but he can't be that smart, why not mix it up with som partypoker and other sites (or is he doin that already, oh my god...!)

bigballz

01-02-2006, 10:49 PM

Anyone smart enough to design a bot like that should be smart enough to know that palying 37 tables is going to ring alarms off at stars. If he played 16-20, that would be another story. I can't see how its done, but I also can't see this guy being dumb enough to chat and have 40 tables goign if he IS a bot.

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 10:52 PM

so then it's proved you mean? can't be a bot?

bigballz

01-02-2006, 11:03 PM

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so then it's proved you mean? can't be a bot?

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I don't know, it'd be interesting either way to find out.

lastas

01-02-2006, 11:04 PM

so tell me, who'd make a bot that makes plays like these at the 16's
http://www.pokerhand.org/?203467
http://www.pokerhand.org/?203468
edit: or this http://www.pokerhand.org/?203470

ColdCaller

01-02-2006, 11:05 PM

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it's a bot, c'mon face the reality, he's chatting too! but he can't be that smart, why not mix it up with som partypoker and other sites (or is he doin that already, oh my god...!)

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Basically everyone is accusing this guy of using automated software to play NL SnGs but has absolutely zero proof other than "Durrrr, I can't fathom that therefore it can't be physically possible."

Wonderful.

bigballz

01-02-2006, 11:12 PM

what is so weird about that first hand lastas?

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 11:14 PM

playing 38 tables on a 17 inch screen, chatting with everybody, making quick decisions... am I drawing stupid conclusions or are you guys naive?

by the way, I'm not accusing him since I don't have a problem with it, can't see it's cheating, he's just a very busy man in a hurry for something...

Quicksilvre

01-02-2006, 11:21 PM

I see him in one now.

lastas

01-02-2006, 11:21 PM

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what is so weird about that first hand lastas?

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Ok the first hand might have been a bad example, but could you really see a bot not programmed to be in push/fold mode with one player <10bb HU since there are unexploitable mathematical systems for this situation? And would anyone program a bot to repush that T8s? Doesnt make sense to me.

bigballz

01-02-2006, 11:22 PM

Either this guy is not covering up his trails very well or he is for real. If you had a bot, wouldn't you tell everyone you have 6 monitors so it is more believable?

bigballz

01-02-2006, 11:22 PM

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what is so weird about that first hand lastas?

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Ok the first hand might have been a bad example, but could you really see a bot programmed to be in push/fold mode with one player <10bb HU since there are unexploitable mathematical systems for this situation? And would anyone program a bot to repush that T8s? Doesnt make sense to me.

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Agreed

Sponger.

01-02-2006, 11:24 PM

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by the way, I'm not accusing him

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lol ok sure

costanza_g

01-02-2006, 11:27 PM

I've tried typing "Ship it batch", while 10 tabling, and it's very difficult to do. If he's actually carrying on a conversation with you guys, I'm pretty sure he's not alone.

As I said in the other thread.....

http://www.msstate.edu/dept/geosciences/people/harris/images/Smith%20and%20Robot.jpg

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BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 11:28 PM

please don't get semantic here, it's more like i'm proposing it...

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 11:35 PM

ok guys, so where's the limit when you admit it must be a bot? 50 tables? 60? 100?

primetime32

01-02-2006, 11:38 PM

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ok guys, so where's the limit when you admit it must be a bot? 50 tables? 60? 100?

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I had a 3rd hand surgically attached last week. I can 100 table no problem. You guys are paranoid.

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 11:40 PM

maybe he's playing all the SNG's online, how many can that be?

lastas

01-02-2006, 11:41 PM

This guy was a starcraft player at a rather serious level. It involves _alot_ of instant strategical decisions, over 150 actions per minute (lots of players with 250+) and accurate mouse clicks to be somewhat successful.

Onaflag

01-02-2006, 11:42 PM

He is not a bot according to Pokerstars Support.

Sciolist (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4327425&page=1&fpart=4&v c=1)

Onaflag...........

BarbarianX

01-02-2006, 11:44 PM

the posts here must be made by a bot, there's just too many of em in a too short period of time

ColdCaller

01-02-2006, 11:48 PM

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ok guys, so where's the limit when you admit it must be a bot? 50 tables? 60? 100?

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Hello,

Thank you for your email.

We have recently observed this player's seemingly impossibly play levels,
and have completed a full review of his account. In this review, he
cooperated fully the entire time, sending all program logs while insisting
he was a human.

We were skeptical, until he literally sent us a video of himself playing 24
tournaments at one time; as hard as it is to believe, this is a human being
who is actually playing all these tournaments.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Regards,

Kyle
PokerStars Support Team

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Owned.

TomBrooks

01-02-2006, 11:48 PM

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so tell me, who'd make a bot that makes plays like these at the 16's
http://www.pokerhand.org/?203468

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This is the second hand. He called getting about 2.5:1 from the pot. He had an OESD and FD. If he counted all his outs as good he has 14 of them and was a 2.3:1 dog. I dont play NL, but it seems reasonable.

BradleyT

01-02-2006, 11:54 PM

Does stars have any kind of Fn hotkeys like eurobet?

LionelHutz00

01-02-2006, 11:58 PM

This guy is trying to get Stars to name the entire galaxy after him, or maybe he'll try to buy like 100 sweet Ipod nanos.

bigballz

01-02-2006, 11:59 PM

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ok guys, so where's the limit when you admit it must be a bot? 50 tables? 60? 100?

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Hello,

Thank you for your email.

We have recently observed this player's seemingly impossibly play levels,
and have completed a full review of his account. In this review, he
cooperated fully the entire time, sending all program logs while insisting
he was a human.

We were skeptical, until he literally sent us a video of himself playing 24
tournaments at one time; as hard as it is to believe, this is a human being
who is actually playing all these tournaments.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Regards,

Kyle
PokerStars Support Team

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Owned.

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I wanna see this video

Edit: I def believe it now, it'd just be cool to see

Shoe

01-03-2006, 12:04 AM

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playing 38 tables on a 17 inch screen, chatting with everybody, making quick decisions... am I drawing stupid conclusions or are you guys naive?

by the way, I'm not accusing him since I don't have a problem with it, can't see it's cheating, he's just a very busy man in a hurry for something...

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Maybe if all you had all day long was people asking you how you played 40 tables... maybe you'd keep your sense of humor by saying it was all on a 17" monitor.

Apparently he sent Stars a video of himself playing, maybe you should ask for a copy?

styleXX

01-03-2006, 12:05 AM

i just saw the video myself, he plays nude and HE'S HUNG LIKE A FRIGGIN HORSE!!!!!!!!

BarbarianX

01-03-2006, 12:09 AM

i'm sure it will show up here any day, i promise to look out for it...

Eihli

01-03-2006, 12:22 AM

Shoe

01-03-2006, 12:22 AM

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i'm sure it will show up here any day, i promise to look out for it...

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I hope so... I would like to see it as well.

Assani Fisher

01-03-2006, 03:07 AM

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He's not a bot for sure. and it is possible to play 30 tables. After seeing him the other day I tried myself & managed to do 20 (on a laptop screen). He plays a very simple strategy. playing extremely tight early levels and the all-in or fold later on. Don't get me wrong... it's hectic! but not impossible.

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how the hell do you do it all on one screen?

I play ten with no overlap on two screens, and I'm pretty busy doing that. I can't imagine playing WINNING POKER on much more than 10 at a time when you're in the final 2 on a few at once.

Timer

01-03-2006, 03:28 AM

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I play ten with no overlap on two screens, and I'm pretty busy doing that. I can't imagine playing WINNING POKER on much more than 10 at a time when you're in the final 2 on a few at once.

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How do you play 10 with no overlap on two screens? Are your screens bigger than 21 inch, or is your resolution greater than 1600x1200--or both?

raptor517

01-03-2006, 03:30 AM

38 is pushin it.. but i def think 32 is doable.. i did 24 for a week or so a few months ago.. made my mind numb and i didnt like it. more than likely he is using a secondary program that assists in bringing up the screen that has the least amount of time to act on it, and as soon as he makes an action, the next screen is ready to go. thats what i used. if thats against tos forget i said that.. holla

iSTRONG

01-03-2006, 03:44 AM

On stars it's all about having all your windows superimposed... this is because stars keeps the active window in focus until you have made your decision and brings the next one forward and so on. so you don't actually have to manually switch between windows, ever. That's how I managed to play 20 tables on my tiny laptop screen... only problem is if you time out it's pretty much impossible to find the windows and click "I'm back".

Annorax

01-03-2006, 04:03 AM

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Does stars have any kind of Fn hotkeys like eurobet?

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No, and using these would be suicide with so many tables constantly stealing the focus from one another. Imagine going to press the raise key on a table with AA on the button, and one where you have 72o UTG pops up a split second before you press the key.

Also, hotkey raises in NL are [censored] retarded.

quijvo

01-03-2006, 04:12 AM

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so tell me, who'd make a bot that makes plays like these at the 16's
http://www.pokerhand.org/?203468

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This is the second hand. He called getting about 2.5:1 from the pot. He had an OESD and FD. If he counted all his outs as good he has 14 of them and was a 2.3:1 dog. I dont play NL, but it seems reasonable.

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OMG It's the kid from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory isn't it?

Mr_J

01-03-2006, 04:20 AM

If he sticks to a strict strategy, then the only thing stopping him from playing more and more is how quickly he can move his mouse and click. Since he's had the training for this I think it's quite realistic. The only dodgy thing is that he chats.

I think I could mange 20 myself, and I've only had some 12 tabling experience (I jumped from 6 to 12 with no problems, and now do 10). If I could manage 20 without much experience, I have no doubt someone could manage 30 with alot of experience under their belt.

BlackRain

01-03-2006, 08:59 AM

I have heard that he is a former Starcraft pro. I therefore think it is believable. You have to understand that the APM (actions per minute) among pros in that game is near superhuman when you see it in person or on a vod.

RikaKazak

01-03-2006, 10:07 AM

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I have heard that he is a former Starcraft pro. I therefore think it is believable. You have to understand that the APM (actions per minute) among pros in that game is near superhuman when you see it in person or on a vod.

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ahhhh, if that's true, (that he's a starcraft pro) then I believe it, I used to be hardcore into it and to be GREAT you have to be a superhuman micromanager.

Sciolist

01-03-2006, 10:08 AM

I've never heard of an SC pro with that name. (I played at the World Cyber Games the first two years)

I say this on another post, but people overstate their APM in SC just as they overstate their winnings in poker. I don't think there're many players out there with 350+ APM, I also don't think you'd even need 200 APM to 24 table. I know I could do it, and 200 APM was pretty much my upper limit.

ADBjester

01-03-2006, 11:45 AM

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I talked to HIM, and HE said he plays on a 17inch monitor. I was not saying what you said was [censored], i was saying playin 30 tables on a 17inch monitor while chatting is highly unlikely.

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PokerStars was sent a six minute, 130 MB good sized video MPG video of him doing this, as proof he was not a bot. In the video, the game count was 25.

He does indeed do this on a single, 17 inch notebook screen.

One amusing point was that after getting 25 tables going, he took the time to load Windows Media player and change his background music between actions. His choice: "Eye of the Tiger" by Survivor. :-)

Jester

ADBjester

01-03-2006, 11:49 AM

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more than likely he is using a secondary program that assists in bringing up the screen that has the least amount of time to act on it, and as soon as he makes an action, the next screen is ready to go.

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No secondary program is needed. That's what the PokerStars client does -- stacks them up in queue, bringing the next table to the forefront when you act on the previous table. The PS client manages the timing -- the "shortest time left to act" always comes to the forefront next.

Jester

nuts

01-03-2006, 12:15 PM

haha, this guy's great. I was very doubtful until I heard about the video. I'd love to see his ROI.

[Phill]

01-03-2006, 12:18 PM

The more i think about it, the more i think its possible.by the by, im sure i played with the guy 18 months ago when i was hitting up the stars games - he had game back then, it seems he has streamlines his strategy massively to ultratable the games.

TheNoodleMan

01-03-2006, 12:38 PM

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I talked to HIM, and HE said he plays on a 17inch monitor. I was not saying what you said was [censored], i was saying playin 30 tables on a 17inch monitor while chatting is highly unlikely.

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PokerStars was sent a six minute, 130 MB good sized video MPG video of him doing this, as proof he was not a bot. In the video, the game count was 25.

He does indeed do this on a single, 17 inch notebook screen.

One amusing point was that after getting 25 tables going, he took the time to load Windows Media player and change his background music between actions. His choice: "Eye of the Tiger" by Survivor. :-)

Jester

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We have to see this video!

GrannyMae

01-03-2006, 01:03 PM

change his background music between actions.

how is there time between actions with 25 tables going??

this dude is just sick.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/^/aiw/wacko.gif

iSTRONG

01-03-2006, 02:18 PM

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No secondary program is needed. That's what the PokerStars client does -- stacks them up in queue, bringing the next table to the forefront when you act on the previous table. The PS client manages the timing -- the "shortest time left to act" always comes to the forefront next.

Jester

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This is exactly it. There is no way this guy could 30 table on party where the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action...

MuckinWinners

01-03-2006, 02:28 PM

How is there time to open that many SNGs and keep that many going? Once you get above a "certain number" it seems like you would not have time. I'm not sure what this "certain number" is, but personally I think it would be FAR LESS THAN 25 for me.

IIRC, steps required to open SNG:

1) Scan lobby for available table
2) Select SNG
3) Select "Register"
4) Confirm registration
5) confirm "Welcome"

He has got to be using some secondary program to open tables and keep the number of tables open as each SNG ends.

iSTRONG

01-03-2006, 02:35 PM

I think he works is sets...

MuckinWinners

01-03-2006, 02:49 PM

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I think he works is sets...

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?????????

Assani Fisher

01-03-2006, 02:52 PM

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I play ten with no overlap on two screens, and I'm pretty busy doing that. I can't imagine playing WINNING POKER on much more than 10 at a time when you're in the final 2 on a few at once.

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How do you play 10 with no overlap on two screens? Are your screens bigger than 21 inch, or is your resolution greater than 1600x1200--or both?

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two 24inch screens. Resolution is 1920 x 1200.

Dell sells these for around $800 a piece IIRC.

Guthrie

01-03-2006, 03:14 PM

I've played him several times in the last few days. I thought he just didn't chat, but on New Year's Day he started chatting and said Stars had turned off his chat for some unnamed infraction. I've seen him chatting quite a bit since, but he never had more than about 8 tables open at the time.

I can understand how he can play 30 tables, but I can't imagine how he can chat at the same time. Every time I try to type something in chat another table steals focus and suddenly I'm typing on the other table. Maybe he has some way around that.

iSTRONG

01-03-2006, 03:15 PM

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I think he works is sets...

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?????????

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I think he works in sets... starts 30 tables & plays them till the end.

smoore

01-03-2006, 03:15 PM

We NEED this video. This guy is the multitable messiah.

jmillerdls

01-03-2006, 04:01 PM

umm, I think you are missing the point. He can't just push a button and open 30 tables. He has to open each table individually WHILE playing the previous 20 tournament tables he just opened. It would get a little crowded on a 17in monitor.

funkymunky

01-03-2006, 04:04 PM

mattw

01-03-2006, 04:05 PM

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We NEED this video. This guy is the multitable messiah.

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please, will someone do this.

Mogobu The Fool

01-03-2006, 04:23 PM

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This is exactly it. There is no way this guy could 30 table on party where the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action...

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You misunderstand how he must be running things. Nothing comes to the front until you act on the current table. As soon as you click, another table will pop to the front -- the table with the least time left for an action. All the tables are in the same space on the screen. As long as he can read the table and act quickly, he can stay ahead of the countdown timer on all tables. The tables were he has no action never come up; that why, if he gets timed out on a particular table, it's hell to get back in that game -- trying to pull one table out of the mix is near impossible.

It also explains how he can chat -- all the tables are stacked up in one spot. If he spots a table where it wants to chat, he drags that table off to the side. The one table off to the side will stay visible all the time, while the main stack of tables will still be constantly shuffling the most urgent action to the top whenever he clicks.

He only needs enough space on his monitor for two tables to accomplish this.

Losing all

01-03-2006, 04:44 PM

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Do a search for RaiNKhAN on Pokerstars. He is currently 30 tabling the 16 turbos. He was in 4 of mine and I asked him about it. Saying he only uses one monitor as well.
Anyone know him?

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Looks like someone is getting a Porsche this year!!!

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and I doubt stars wanted the first car to go to a 10$ sng player /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Maybe he should think about a monitor first..

BradleyT

01-03-2006, 05:51 PM

Wonder if it would it be easier to have 1 stack of 32 or 4 stacks of 8 windows.

OrcaDK

01-03-2006, 05:56 PM

Provided that the tables don't jump in front of each other, i'd prefer a single stack of 32. There's no way you'd be following action on the other tables, so why not just stick with as clean an interface as possible? That'd also give you the opportunity to have the lobby in the background so you can join new tours.

iSTRONG

01-03-2006, 06:10 PM

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This is exactly it. There is no way this guy could 30 table on party where the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action...

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You misunderstand how he must be running things. Nothing comes to the front until you act on the current table. As soon as you click, another table will pop to the front -- the table with the least time left for an action. All the tables are in the same space on the screen. As long as he can read the table and act quickly, he can stay ahead of the countdown timer on all tables. The tables were he has no action never come up; that why, if he gets timed out on a particular table, it's hell to get back in that game -- trying to pull one table out of the mix is near impossible.

It also explains how he can chat -- all the tables are stacked up in one spot. If he spots a table where it wants to chat, he drags that table off to the side. The one table off to the side will stay visible all the time, while the main stack of tables will still be constantly shuffling the most urgent action to the top whenever he clicks.

He only needs enough space on his monitor for two tables to accomplish this.

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I did understand... That's what I do myself & am able to play 20 SNGs on a small screen... I do it in a slightly more advanced way were I cascade the windows so that I can access any of them by click the bottom left corner of the window in case I time out...

bigballz

01-03-2006, 06:19 PM

I just played 12 on one screen, I don't see how he can do 30-40 although I do believe it. He's a BEAST!

iSTRONG

01-03-2006, 06:31 PM

yeah I know... when I did 20 it felt like all I was doing was clicking all the time. I made so many mistakes as well... I still managed to make $60.

bigballz

01-03-2006, 07:28 PM

I just played another set of 12, and I am really liking these. My ROI is at 30%, which I know I won't hold, but I can make $30 an hour at least. Thanks rainkhan for the idea!

gilbert

01-03-2006, 07:32 PM

so he plays 30 tables on a notebook 17" screen, chats, and still has time to mess with windows media player?

omg.

Timer

01-03-2006, 07:51 PM

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I play ten with no overlap on two screens, and I'm pretty busy doing that. I can't imagine playing WINNING POKER on much more than 10 at a time when you're in the final 2 on a few at once.

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How do you play 10 with no overlap on two screens? Are your screens bigger than 21 inch, or is your resolution greater than 1600x1200--or both?

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two 24inch screens. Resolution is 1920 x 1200.

Dell sells these for around $800 a piece IIRC.

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Thanks. Is five the maximum number of games you can play with no overlap? Can you do six?

Timer

01-03-2006, 07:58 PM

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I did understand... That's what I do myself & am able to play 20 SNGs on a small screen... I do it in a slightly more advanced way were I cascade the windows so that I can access any of them by click the bottom left corner of the window in case I time out...

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How do you cascade the windows on Stars?

bigballz

01-03-2006, 08:08 PM

right click on the poker stars tab on the toolbar. I don't know how to do this if you arn't playing a bunch of tables, as each table would have its own tab.

MrGrob

01-03-2006, 08:29 PM

Crazy, but stars software is so awesome that I do believe it is possible...not sure any other site would be, but stars I could see. The tables would pop in sucsession and you don't have to move the mouse much to make each move...and since you are mostly folding...seems possible to me!

Onaflag

01-03-2006, 08:50 PM

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Do a search for RaiNKhAN on Pokerstars. He is currently 30 tabling the 16 turbos. He was in 4 of mine and I asked him about it. Saying he only uses one monitor as well.
Anyone know him?

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Hold the press! Back on topic. It just hit me. Stars endorsed this guy to 30 table to show all of us it can be done. How many STTers will now try to crank it up to eye bleeding levels after seeing this thread? Me, for sure. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Onaflag............

funkymunky

01-03-2006, 09:05 PM

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Do a search for RaiNKhAN on Pokerstars. He is currently 30 tabling the 16 turbos. He was in 4 of mine and I asked him about it. Saying he only uses one monitor as well.
Anyone know him?

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Looks like someone is getting a Porsche this year!!!

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and I doubt stars wanted the first car to go to a 10$ sng player /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Maybe he should think about a monitor first..

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BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

UATrewqaz

01-03-2006, 09:05 PM

Well I'm a former SC junkie myself and was pretty fast and am an avid gamer and I 6 table ring games currently. It's certainly possible for a former SC pro to have the reflexes to do this. I seriously think it's -EV at some point though....

mmbt0ne

01-03-2006, 09:45 PM

Nobody has asked the ultimate question. Stars will only send the last 5 tourney summaries at a time. That means, he has to manually request 25 tournament summaries individually at the end of his 30-tabling session.

WTF, man?

See Lee, this is why we need either an automated tourney summary system, or the ability to request more than the past 5!

Mogobu The Fool

01-04-2006, 03:19 AM

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This is exactly it. There is no way this guy could 30 table on party where the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action...

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You misunderstand how he must be running things. Nothing comes to the front until you act on the current table.

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I did understand... That's what I do myself & am able to play 20 SNGs on a small screen... I do it in a slightly more advanced way were I cascade the windows so that I can access any of them by click the bottom left corner of the window in case I time out...

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Then I don't understand what you meant by "the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action..."

mattw

01-04-2006, 04:59 AM

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Then I don't understand what you meant by "the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action..."

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recent action could be you just got dealt hole cards. urgent action could mean you have 5 seconds before timing out.

iSTRONG

01-04-2006, 05:02 AM

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This is exactly it. There is no way this guy could 30 table on party where the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action...

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You misunderstand how he must be running things. Nothing comes to the front until you act on the current table.

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I did understand... That's what I do myself & am able to play 20 SNGs on a small screen... I do it in a slightly more advanced way were I cascade the windows so that I can access any of them by click the bottom left corner of the window in case I time out...

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Then I don't understand what you meant by "the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action..."

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I was talking about the way it works at party poker... the window doesn't stay active as long as you haven't made your decision... it get deactivated by a new action required on another table... get me?

Mogobu The Fool

01-04-2006, 06:22 PM

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This is exactly it. There is no way this guy could 30 table on party where the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action...

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You misunderstand how he must be running things. Nothing comes to the front until you act on the current table.

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I did understand... That's what I do myself & am able to play 20 SNGs on a small screen... I do it in a slightly more advanced way were I cascade the windows so that I can access any of them by click the bottom left corner of the window in case I time out...

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Then I don't understand what you meant by "the most recent action comes to the front and you lose the most urgent action..."

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I was talking about the way it works at party poker... the window doesn't stay active as long as you haven't made your decision... it get deactivated by a new action required on another table... get me?

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Sure, but the subject line here is "30 Tabling Stars," not "30 Tabling Party!" <fumble> <fumble> I didn't notice until just now that you said "party" in the first quote!

-- Mogobu The Fumbler

Marmor

04-27-2007, 07:07 PM

His sharkscope stats look great.

Bobo Fett

04-27-2007, 07:09 PM

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His sharkscope stats look great.

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Strangest 15-month-later-bump ever?

Dignam

04-27-2007, 07:50 PM

Well, if you guys waited for 15 months, I might as well put the video link up lol.

RainKhan 27 tabling Stars on one computer (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8902770502910175629&q=RaiNKhan)

Marmor

04-27-2007, 08:40 PM

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His sharkscope stats look great.

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Strangest 15-month-later-bump ever?

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Have bumped stranger actually

wiper

04-27-2007, 08:59 PM

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Well, if you guys waited for 15 months, I might as well put the video link up lol.

RainKhan 27 tabling Stars on one computer (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8902770502910175629&q=RaiNKhan)

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wow...just, wow...

can i get a link to these sharkscope stats??

Bobo Fett

04-27-2007, 09:16 PM

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Have bumped stranger actually

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Well, it looks like you've started something interesting! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

But I'm curious, what makes a guy bump this out of the blue?

demon102

04-27-2007, 09:26 PM

I just sharkscoped his stats for this year and he went from 50k profit to 40k loser

eviljeff

04-27-2007, 09:28 PM

sharkscope has him down like $40k after around 20k sngs. but positive ROI! 1% baby!

Bobo Fett

04-27-2007, 09:39 PM

Finally watched the video...that's flipping insane. My first thought was that he needs to buy more/bigger monitors, but I guess with that many tables it wouldn't make much difference...or it might even make it harder with more screen real estate to keep an eye on and travel with the mouse.

It strikes me that this is to poker what speed (or blitz) chess is to chess. It's still poker, but it's a totally different breed. No HUDs, obviously no real reads on players. Very interesting.

Archon_Wing

04-27-2007, 11:38 PM

Ok, I think I was about to get a seizure

selurah

04-28-2007, 12:08 AM

HAHAHAHAHA. First time I have gotten around to watching this video. This guy is [censored] great. I can only imagine the kind of tilt this would put me on.

BigF

04-28-2007, 01:50 AM

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Well, if you guys waited for 15 months, I might as well put the video link up lol.

RainKhan 27 tabling Stars on one computer (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8902770502910175629&q=RaiNKhan)

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OMG, talking to the video camera and changing music!

RainKhan for mod!!!
RainKhan > sbrugby

JayA

04-28-2007, 06:51 AM

Zomg this video is insane.

But the sharkscope just confuses me. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

deflY

04-28-2007, 08:08 AM

Yeah, what's the point in 30-tabbing when you don't make $$$?

cj81

04-28-2007, 08:25 AM

dual 3007s a good investment?

PokerEveryDay

04-28-2007, 10:25 AM

Now I know what a true multi-table nit is doing behind the computer screen...LMFAO! Talk about having a lot of time to make decisions, HA! By the way, I can play 42 tables, beat that!

JoeSchmo

04-28-2007, 02:56 PM

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But the sharkscope just confuses me.

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Rainkhan = plenty good enough to beat the low limits playing 100 tables at once.

He tried to move up - way up - and do the same thing and it took him a long time to figure out that he couldn't.

JayA

04-28-2007, 08:43 PM

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But the sharkscope just confuses me.

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Rainkhan = plenty good enough to beat the low limits playing 100 tables at once.

He tried to move up - way up - and do the same thing and it took him a long time to figure out that he couldn't.

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Gotcha. So I assume he's still trying to figure that out? Or is just making the lost money back?

sorry4me

04-28-2007, 11:16 PM

Over the last 10k SnGs he's lost around 90k. From the graph it looks like it started when he stepped up but I don't know what to make of the data. If he can make 50k over 10k games playing smaller buy-ins why isn't he making any positive gains now after learning that his approach doesn't work at the higher levels? It seems like he has lost his edge, perhaps even at the lower buy-ins????

Still, that video is impressive.

Tonding

04-29-2007, 12:54 PM

Didn't he win like 5 Main Event entries?

FakeKramer

04-29-2007, 01:29 PM

While I agree it's suspicious (slash impressive) that he's chatting to people while 30 tabling, simply playing 30 SNGs on Stars is actually pretty easy. Just stack all of the windows right on top of each other. It just keeps bringing a new one to the front once you make a decision on the current table. Actually kinda fun, but pretty hectic as well.

Bowlboy

04-29-2007, 02:22 PM

This guy is nuts. Kind of inspires me though. I'm an old starcraft player and though I was never anywhere near pro, I was averaging around 180 APM for the last year that I played. I currently play 9 tables on stars .02/.05 6max tables for a lousy $10 per hour. I spread my tables out in a tic-tac toe fashion and use my HUD for reads. I can practically do it in my sleep though I have'nt tried playing more than 9 because I prefer to see all tables at once. Maybe I should give it a go at .01/.02 and open up 20 tables, see what happens /images/graemlins/smile.gif

spino1i

04-29-2007, 02:52 PM

Silly silly multi-tablers and their 26 tables. You can have your 26 tables and get demolished and I'll keep my 4 tables and do the demolishing

BradleyT

04-29-2007, 03:48 PM

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Silly silly multi-tablers and their 26 tables. You can have your 26 tables and get demolished and I'll keep my 4 tables and do the demolishing

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I posted a graph of his in another thread in sept. 2006. He was very very good at multi-tabling lowish limits as you can see.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3660/displaygraphzl4.gif

Around December I think I was watching some $1000 and $500 SnGs and saw him playing in them. That's where he absolutely got crushed.