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derosnec

11-20-2006, 10:39 PM

villain 23/3/1.5

I cant think of any hand that calls the flop and pushes the river that I beat. AQ/KQ/JJ/TT never push the river here, not with a flush on the board and with my pf reraise signalling a big pair or AK (if I have AK why would he push?)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($20.35)
BB ($22.85)
UTG ($25.25)
Hero ($24.65)
CO ($20.90)
Button ($31.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 4 folds, UTG calls $2.50.

Flop: ($6.85) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($18.85) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($18.85) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $16 (All-In), Hero . . .

wallywojo

11-20-2006, 10:44 PM

how many times is this a missed turn c/r? I think it is very likely at this level, and typically turn c/r beat one pair.

Grunch

11-20-2006, 10:49 PM

Why did you check the turn? This is not a rhetorical question.

kaz2107

11-20-2006, 10:53 PM

the stack sizes make this near impossible to play well imo. if u bet the turn u have to call a push.

so i think i like ur play in checkin the turn to at least induce a worse hand to push the river.

as played i think u have to sigh and call.

WorkInProgress

11-20-2006, 10:55 PM

Don't check turn. Bet. Yeah its a scare card, but why give a free card to a 4flush draw, or a some kinda stupid gut shot draw. I'd say bet 10 here, if he raises all in, then fine. Its not a terrible place to lose I think. As for the river call, he took the initiative away from you, and calling is largely opponent dependant getting 2-1 odds.

derosnec

11-20-2006, 10:56 PM

at the time i had two thoughts -

he played flop like a flush draw

and if hes not on a draw and has JJ, TT, whatever, I can indce a 1/2 pot river bet (though giving a free card to 4th diamond sucks)

that was my thought process. reprogram my brain please

edit - im guessing this is not one of those pot control moments, right?

Heine

11-20-2006, 11:17 PM

push him all in on the turn... he's short, and you have KK. If he has AK of clubs you win your pot, and you dont' have to make a tough decision if the other diamond falls like it did.

ps. i like your title, got a laugh out of me.