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essence86
11-20-2006, 11:28 AM
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.20
Hero: $26.05
Button: $63.80
SB: $28.20
BB: $32.35

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $0.5</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif ($1.6, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $1.6</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($4.8, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $4.8</font>, Hero calls.

River: 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($14.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $5.3</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $25

Comments plz....

Hattifnatt
11-20-2006, 11:29 AM
Push or fold turn. Rest is fine.

essence86
11-20-2006, 11:32 AM
ok.. so there is no way basically I´m getting away from this, because he is so short stacked?

Sir Winalot
11-20-2006, 11:33 AM
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Push or fold turn. Rest is fine.

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My initial thought too.

Hattifnatt
11-20-2006, 11:33 AM
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ok.. so there is no way basically I´m getting away from this, because he is so short stacked?

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The only way you are getting away is to fold the turn or preflop, but thats read depending. Without one I probably just push turn but its kinda close.

essence86
11-20-2006, 11:34 AM
ok..yes. On the turn he does show some strength.

Perk76
11-20-2006, 11:51 AM
I am not getting away from it against a short stack in this hand.

I am not pushing the turn either, since a worse hand might fold out. If your willing to felt it, let him bet into you on the river and call him down, or if he checks river, you can check also.

Perk76
11-20-2006, 11:52 AM
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ok..yes. On the turn he does show some strength.

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He showed strength on all streets. UTG raise, Pot flop, Pot turn.

This hand is dependent on reads.

Hattifnatt
11-20-2006, 11:53 AM
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I am not pushing the turn either, since a worse hand might fold out. If your willing to felt it, let him bet into you on the river and call him down, or if he checks river, you can check also.

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Look at stack sizes, if he folds for example a middle pair, OP gains.

Problem with just calling is that he might save his last bucks if he was on a draw and Hero cannot fold to a river push whatever happens if he calls the turn.

Ra_
11-20-2006, 12:14 PM
I think this is rarely a draw.

Weak aces and draws almot always check or bet lighter. The full pot bet on the turn is almost always representing a hand better than yours. I think i find a fold on the turn here pretty easy against an unknown.