preflop quiz

[lacrymosa]

I think my biggest leak atm is my preflop game. I am geting better at reading opponents, but I think I am playing hands that I shouldn't play, and folding hands that I probabl should be playing. I just have 13 preflop sitations. Effective stacks are 100BB at your average $25NLH table, 6 max (and no reads obv). No doubt these are easy for most uNL players here.

from UTG
1. KJs, QJs, ATs
2. Suited connectors 78+
3. Suited connectors 23+
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs
6. Suited connectors 78+
7. Suited connectors 23+
8. 22-66
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

from CO with a raise
10. KJs, QJs, ATs
11. Suited connectors 78+
12. Suited connectors 23+
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

[Sir Winalot]

This is what I'd do:

from UTG
1. KJs - fold, QJs - raise, ATs - raise
2. Suited connectors TJ+ - raise
3. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
4. Suited aces - raise ATs+

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs - raise
6. Suited connectors T9+ - raise
7. Suited connectors 23s-98s - call
8. 22-66 - raise
9. Suited aces, - call, raise A8s+

from CO with a raise
10. KJs - fold, QJs - call, ATs - fold/call
11. Suited connectors 78+ - call sometimes
12. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
13. Suited aces - call sometimes, sometimes rr AJs+

[Panthro]

Sir WinAlot's answers are pretty goot.

Just remember, SC's play best when in position, against multiple villain's AND/OR very deep stacks. If someone limps, I usually limp behind with *most* SC's to encourage others to join the party. Against a single raise, I consider folding unless I'm confident others behind me will also call. If there's a raise then one or more callers, I'm definately calling.

Edit, I normally fold QJs, and low suited Aces to a raise.

[cwar]

Is calling a raise with QJs standard?

[MortenTA]

from UTG
1. KJs, QJs, ATs - fold
2. Suited connectors 78+ - fold
3. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs) - fold

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs - Raise
6. Suited connectors 78+ - call/raise
7. Suited connectors 23+ - fold/call
8. 22-66 - raise
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs) - call

from CO with a raise
10. KJs, QJs, ATs - fold
11. Suited connectors 78+ - fold
12. Suited connectors 23+ -fold
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs) -fold

[kitaristi0]

lacrymosa,

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1. f,r,r
2. f(r)
3. f
4. f
5. r,r,r
6. r
7. f(r)
8. r
9. r
10-13. Depends a lot on who the preflop raiser is. If he's bad and I can easily outplay him postflop then call and 3-bet many hands.

[lacrymosa]

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lacrymosa,

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AFL supporter?

[kitaristi0]

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lacrymosa,

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AFL supporter?

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Used to live in Perth 1992-1997 and was a moderately sized West Coast fan. Haven't followed the AFL too closely after leaving Australia but I did see West Coast beat Sydney in the Grand Final a few months back.

[theblitz]

from UTG
1. KJs - fold , QJs - call , ATs - call
2. Suited connectors 78+ - call
3. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs) - fold

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs - call
6. Suited connectors 78+ - call
7. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
8. 22-66 - call/raise
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs) - call/raise

from CO with a raise
10. KJs, QJs, ATs - fold
11. Suited connectors 78+ - call and hope
12. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs) - fold

But then I do play over-tight so I probably should be calling or raising a few more of these.

[lacrymosa]

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lacrymosa,

AHAHABWBWHAHAHAHAAHHAHAH FREMANTLE DOCKERS BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH WEST COAST EAGLES SO MUCH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAN FREMANTLE.



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AFL supporter?

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Used to live in Perth 1992-1997 and was a moderately sized West Coast fan. Haven't followed the AFL too closely after leaving Australia but I did see West Coast beat Sydney in the Grand Final a few months back.

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that's awesome. I was born there and moved to melbourne. Going back in couple weeks though!

[Triggerle]

Since this is 6-max I either raise limpers or fold. I will not limp behind with any hand. Getting the initiative against someone who doesn't value his hand enough to raise with is profitable at NL25.

Depending on table conditions I raise all of the unraised situations above with the exception of sc below 56, which I raise only when opening in LP.

I call a raise in front of me only with pp or big suited aces and AKo.

[avfletch]

from UTG
1. KJs fold, QJs raise, ATs fold
2. Suited connectors 78+ fold
3. Suited connectors 23+ fold
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs) fold

from CO with 1 limper - Raise them all!
5. KJs, QJs, ATs
6. Suited connectors 78+
7. Suited connectors 23+
8. 22-66
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

from CO with a raise - Fold them all (unless I have a specific reason to be repopping with my SCs)
10. KJs, QJs, ATs
11. Suited connectors 78+
12. Suited connectors 23+
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

[lacrymosa]

some interesting answers. I'm not surprised by the variety, because we all play different games. How about blind play?

From SB with raiser from MP
1. KJs, QJs, ATs
2. Suited connectors 78+
3. Suited connectors 23+
4. 22-66
5. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

From BB with raiser from MP
6. KJs, QJs, ATs
7. Suited connectors 78+
8. Suited connectors 23+
9. 22-66
10. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

[avfletch]

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some interesting answers. I'm not surprised by the variety, because we all play different games. How about blind play?

From SB with raiser from MP
1. KJs, QJs, ATs
2. Suited connectors 78+
3. Suited connectors 23+
4. 22-66
5. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

From BB with raiser from MP
6. KJs, QJs, ATs
7. Suited connectors 78+
8. Suited connectors 23+
9. 22-66
10. Suited aces (lower than ATs)

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I'll call with the small pps if I'm getting reasonable implied odds based on the range I put my opponent on and his style but other than that all these hands play horribly out of position and without the initiative.

[Triggerle]

From the blinds against a raise I only call with pp, AK, AQs, fold the rest (assuming it is a real raise. I call or re-raise minraises sometimes).

Also, although you didn't ask this: I have maybe completed my sb twice in the last 1000 hands and I can't think of a hand with which I would do this.

[Sir Winalot]

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some interesting answers. I'm not surprised by the variety, because we all play different games. How about blind play?

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From SB with raiser from MP
1. KJs, QJs, ATs - usually fold, maybe call with QJs
2. Suited connectors 78+ - usually fold. maybe call with JTs+
3. Suited connectors 23+ - fold
4. 22-66 - usually call, maybe raise 66/55 sometimes
5. Suited aces (lower than ATs) - fold

From BB with raiser from MP - same as SB

[Hi5]

A West Cost supporter here! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Personally, I would not play low/mid suited connectors against a raiser from MP, unless there are a lot of callers. Reads are just too important at NL 6-max, it's very hard to discuss preflop strategy without them.

[Grunch]

See here's the thing. Preflop is just what leads you in to postflop play, and my preflop tendancies are geared to putting me in specific postflop situations. That is, my preflop game is postflop oriented. For new players, short stacks or tourney situations this range might not work because those games are almost 100% preflop. What's more my preflop game is very dependant on what my opponents' tendanccies are, so any attempt to reduce my PF game to a sile series of if-then rules will fail.

That said, here's a starting point.


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from UTG
1. KJs, QJs, ATs <font color="blue">Raise </font>
2. Suited connectors 78+ <font color="blue">Raise 54s+ T8s+, fold the rest </font>
3. Suited connectors 23+ <font color="blue"> See above</font>
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs) <font color="blue"> Fold without reads, but at most tables once I know my opponents I'm raising more often than not </font>

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs <font color="blue"> Raise </font>
6. Suited connectors 78+ <font color="blue"> Raise same range as UTG</font>
7. Suited connectors 23+ <font color="blue"> See above</font>
8. 22-66 <font color="blue"> Raise</font>
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs) <font color="blue"> Same as UTG, but lean more strongly toward raise. This is a postflop hand </font>

from CO with a raise
10. KJs, QJs, ATs <font color="blue"> Fold. </font>
11. Suited connectors 78+ <font color="blue"> same range as UTG, call if there is a coldcaller, fold otherwise.</font>
12. Suited connectors 23+ <font color="blue"> See above</font>
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs) <font color="blue"> Same as suited connectors</font>

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[Wolfram]

*Grunch*


from UTG
1. KJs, QJs, ATs
Fold, Raise, Raise.
2. Suited connectors 78+
Fold
3. Suited connectors 23+
Fold
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs)
Raise actually, but I play A-high flush draws very fast.

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs
Fold, Raise, Raise.
6. Suited connectors 78+
Raise.
7. Suited connectors 23+
Fold
8. 22-66
Raise
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs)
Raise

from CO with a raise
10. KJs, QJs, ATs
Fold
11. Suited connectors 78+
Fold (readless, often raise with a read)
12. Suited connectors 23+
Fold (call/reraise with read)
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs)
Fold

[ChipStorm]

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See here's the thing. Preflop is just what leads you in to postflop play, and my preflop tendancies are geared to putting me in specific postflop situations. That is, my preflop game is postflop oriented. For new players, short stacks or tourney situations this range might not work because those games are almost 100% preflop. What's more my preflop game is very dependant on what my opponents' tendanccies are, so any attempt to reduce my PF game to a sile series of if-then rules will fail.

That said, here's a starting point.


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from UTG
1. KJs, QJs, ATs <font color="blue">Raise </font>
2. Suited connectors 78+ <font color="blue">Raise 54s+ T8s+, fold the rest </font>
3. Suited connectors 23+ <font color="blue"> See above</font>
4. Suited aces (lower than ATs) <font color="blue"> Fold without reads, but at most tables once I know my opponents I'm raising more often than not </font>

from CO with 1 limper
5. KJs, QJs, ATs <font color="blue"> Raise </font>
6. Suited connectors 78+ <font color="blue"> Raise same range as UTG</font>
7. Suited connectors 23+ <font color="blue"> See above</font>
8. 22-66 <font color="blue"> Raise</font>
9. Suited aces (lower than ATs) <font color="blue"> Same as UTG, but lean more strongly toward raise. This is a postflop hand </font>

from CO with a raise
10. KJs, QJs, ATs <font color="blue"> Fold. </font>
11. Suited connectors 78+ <font color="blue"> same range as UTG, call if there is a coldcaller, fold otherwise.</font>
12. Suited connectors 23+ <font color="blue"> See above</font>
13. Suited aces (lower than ATs) <font color="blue"> Same as suited connectors</font>

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Well, there go the keys to the safe.

FWIW, my FR isn't much different if you read the above as MP and beyond, then for EP just shave out SCs and Axs on all but the more passive tables (shave the #1s from UTG/UTG+1 too).