NL .02: KTo on the button

[chson]

No reads. Is this a standard line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($5.42)
SB ($1.76)
BB ($1.23)
UTG ($0.55)
UTG+1 ($2.47)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($1.51)
MP3 ($3.76)
CO ($1.64)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.14) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $0.14</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.28</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls $0.14.

Turn: ($0.70) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $0.38</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1.08

[PietM]

Waaaah, minraise! Why?? Make a real raise, to ~$0.50. Or call to keep the pot small. I'd call the turn bet and a reasonable riverbet too.

[eigenvalue]

Good fold! There were 7 players seeing the flop and at these stakes, lots of people play any 2 suited cards. After the draw hits, You are beaten more often than not with 7 players that saw the flop. Don't loose Your stack with semi-strong holdings.

[lacrymosa]

Does anyone else raise or fold this hand PF?

[chson]

Hi PietM. The min-raise was pot sized. If I made it .50 then isn't that overbetting the pot?

[PietM]

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Hi PietM. The min-raise was pot sized. If I made it .50 then isn't that overbetting the pot?

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Your minraise was NOT potsized. On the flop the pot was $0.14. Villain bet the pot, so if you called that, the pot would've been $0.42. A potsize-raise is $0.14 + $0.42 = $0.56.

[elgatoesme]

I am just learning at the 2, 5 and 10 BB pokerstars tables. This sort of situation comes up a lot especially at 2.
I have a playable hand in late position but there are so many limpers in front. Do I fold, raise (figuring a pretty big raise is needed to sort wheat from chaff I am kinda hesitant to raise Kt and similar hands) or just fold and refuse to play these?

Also, what to do with tp on flop? Any general thoughts on this?

This is the sort of thing that probably doesn't often come up at higher limits but how did you guys handle these multi-limped pots when you started out?

[chson]

Wow I didn't look at it like that. I'm going to have to think about this one. Thanks PietM.

[PietM]

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Wow I didn't look at it like that. I'm going to have to think about this one. Thanks PietM.

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[elgatoesme]

Here is a similar type hand which I played, comments are appreciated on all aspects and I would be interested in comparisons to the hand in the OP.

Perhaps I should start a separate topic? This situation seems to come up so often in super micro limit.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Button ($11.49)
SB ($2.37)
BB ($2.15)
UTG ($3)
UTG+1 ($8.20)
MP1 ($2.18)
MP2 ($6.73)
Hero ($5.09)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif.
[color=#666666]1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.30) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $0.25</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: $0.55

[PietM]

Preflop call is a bit thin (maybe I'm too tight).

Flop bet: excellent.

[eigenvalue]

KTo is by far to weak to throw in a big raise here. Fold this hand!

If You find Yourself in a situation with TPTK and many people in a hand, something is going wrong. If You have played a few orbits at a given table, soon You should develop a feeling on how much You have to raise with say AT+ to chase out most limpers / callers. If that works, You will play most of these hands with 1 or 2 callers, in these cases continue with a pot sized bet.

[kabouter]

The first hand, just fold it preflop, and otherwise fold it at the flop, and if that is not possible fold it at the turn, 7handed your TKo are no good.

The second hand, well offcourse I like k9s better. And the flop is good, I like the raise on the flop. I know nobody is going to fold a preflop raise on that level, so it's not that bad, just see the flop cheap, and if you didn't hit anything, just fold to a bet. If this would have been 25nl I would have liked limping with k9s a lot less though.

[elgatoesme]

I guess that is a big part of my question, with people just calling with mediocre hands, what is good enough to play in position? Am I giving up profitsblr oppotunities by staying away except with a hand worthy of a raise? What would you have done preflop with the A9s in this spot?

These sometime develop into the best pots, this hand could have been sweet if someone else had the spade draw (or painful if it was the ace).

[eigenvalue]

This is not similar, it is totally different, because You have a suited K PF. This time, You can limp, but not raise. At these stakes, I limped in with suited Kings from late position, hoping for a flush draw.

Your bet on the flop was good. You have top pair and a flush draw, so You need to value bet this flop.

[Sir Winalot]

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Does anyone else raise or fold this hand PF?

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Raise? No. Fold? Yeah.