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gabbahh
11-17-2006, 11:24 PM
How would you play this river?

Seat 1: BB ($7.21 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG ($14.07 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($5.64 in chips)
Seat 6: Villan ($9.82 in chips)

Villan: posts small blind $0.02
BB: posts big blind $0.05

PREFLOP
Dealt to Hero K /images/graemlins/club.gif K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG: folds
Hero: raises $0.15 to $0.20
Villan: raises $0.25 to $0.45
BB: folds
Hero: calls $0.25

FLOP: (POT $1.55)
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Villan: bets $0.50
Hero: raises $0.50 to $1
Villan: calls $0.50

TURN (POT $3.55)
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Villan: checks
Hero: bets $0.30
Villan: raises $0.70 to $1
Hero: calls $0.70

RIVER (POT $5.55)
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Villan: bets $2
Hero ????????

Before giving the standard answer, please try and put villan on range of hands.

blackize
11-17-2006, 11:25 PM
You played this hand unbelievably poorly on every street.

gabbahh
11-17-2006, 11:30 PM
Depends on range of hands I assigned to villan

edit: Usually I bet big with great hands

blackize
11-17-2006, 11:39 PM
So on the turn you didn't because? It's pretty tough to read someone's hand if you provide us no information about their tendencies. Is he aggressive postflop, is he LAG preflop, does his 3bet represent 2 pretty cards or QQ+, AK? There are a ton of things missing from this post that would allow us to help read this hand.

1st we know nothing of this opponents preflop tendencies

2nd we know nothing of this opponents postflop tendencies

3rd your betting in this hand doesn't represent anything. You raise preflop and call a minreraise could be almost any hand you would raise with. You donk the flop, could be any hand that connected with the flop. Villain minraises, could be an overpair, set, draw, TPTK, but since we know nothing of his preflop betting it's pretty hard to tell. Then you make your hand and still play super passively.

jonyy6788
11-17-2006, 11:43 PM
Tough to read hands when you don't bet properly.

AliasMrJones
11-18-2006, 12:00 AM
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You played this hand unbelievably poorly on every street.

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theUltimateHero
11-18-2006, 12:11 AM
shove river and play this better on every street.

gabbahh
11-18-2006, 12:15 AM
Sorry for the lack of information
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So on the turn you didn't because?

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I put him on either AA QQ AQ (most probable) or KQ AK.
My small bet would not scare off any of these hands, and I expected a raise from AA (KQ, AK also possible, but less likely), and a call from QQ.
When he raised, a call from me would leave a pot sized river bet.
I was planning on reraising all in any non ace river, or value bet when checked to.

Didnt think I would get a call from QQ, AQ if I would reraise big on turn. And wasnt sure I'd get a call from AA or Kx.
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It's pretty tough to read someone's hand if you provide us no information about their tendencies.


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Ill think before I post next time.
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Is he aggressive postflop, is he LAG preflop


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Loose preflop but passive, reraise ment AK, QQ+
Maybe KQ, because my preflop raise could've been a steal.
Post flop he is straightforward and weak.
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Does his 3bet represent 2 pretty cards or QQ+, AK?


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Oh yeah
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3rd your betting in this hand doesn't represent anything.
You raise preflop and call a minreraise could be almost any hand you would raise with.


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Built the pot, without giving too much away about the strength of my hand. And was 75% sure opponent had AA when I called his turn bet.
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Then you make your hand and still play super passively.

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Trying to get maximum value from AA on non Ace river.


Thanks for ur comments.

gabbahh
11-18-2006, 12:19 AM
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Tough to read hands when you don't bet properly.

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That's why I bet like that. I was pretty sure about villans hand. Usually I bet bigger.

blackize
11-18-2006, 12:34 AM
I think you might be giving your opponents too much credit at this level. AA is almost certainly calling if you bet bigger on the turn and 3bet all in.

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My small bet would not scare off any of these hands, and I expected a raise from AA (KQ, AK also possible, but less likely), and a call from QQ.
When he raised, a call from me would leave a pot sized river bet.
I was planning on reraising all in any non ace river, or value bet when checked to.

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So essentially what you're saying is you are afraid of the 2 outter?

gabbahh
11-18-2006, 12:39 AM
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I think you might be giving your opponents too much credit at this level. AA is almost certainly calling if you bet bigger on the turn and 3bet all in.

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I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
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So essentially what you're saying is you are afraid of the 2 outter?

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No, not at all. But when it came I didn't feel like raising all in.

Bonesy
11-18-2006, 02:37 AM
This is all wrong. I think you are making this hand far tougher than it needs to be. Preflop, the only had you are behind is AA so reraise him. It is likely that if he liked his hand enough to 3bet you then he will call your 4bet or go all in so jack it up there.

Raise more on the flop, QQ's and JJ's going along for the ride.

Make a real bet on the turn, AK and KQ are coming and maybe QQ's too and no way AA's are folding here.

River is whatever you want to do. The hand was messed up quite a bit by then.