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FiReSiStAnT

11-16-2006, 02:28 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($25.35)
BB ($35.40)
UTG ($21.75)
MP ($12.10)
CO ($24.90)
Button ($37.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.15, 1 fold, MP folds.

Flop: ($3) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $3.

Is my raise a bad bluff or a strong bet? I figured maybe I can get him off AQ or 88, something like that.
What do you think of his call? What should I put him on now?
What do you do if the turn is a blank?

Thanks guys, I'll post the results of this one after a few responses if anyones interested

Hellmouth

11-16-2006, 02:34 PM

What are you hoping to accomplish with this raise? If you think villain missed and you will drive him out of the hand then bet more.

I think I would be inclined to call the bet rather than raise. The unfortunate consequence of your bet is that the pot is really too large now and if you miss again you will have no ability to fight for it without putting in a ton of money with one card to come.

Float it for pot control on the flop and reevaluate the turn. If you hit your OESD there are still two betting rounds to get it all in so there is no reason to pump the pot yet. Also you don't want to risk a push on the flop with a draw so you shouldn't give a chance for villain to reraise you off the hand.

Call Flop
Greg

Antinome

11-16-2006, 02:35 PM

If you are doing a check raise for fold equity with a draw you want to make the bet closer to pot sized.

Pavan

11-16-2006, 02:37 PM

AQ and AK are the most likely. He may even have A10. OOP sucks

martijn

11-16-2006, 02:38 PM

I dont like to call pf raises with KQ from the blinds, because you will be OOP rest of the hand.

as played, I would just call the flop bet, since if he calls, you are first to act on the turn, and if the pot is blown up to 15$, you cant make another bet if you miss.

Pavan

11-16-2006, 02:38 PM

His raise was pot sized. 3+2=5

ajmargarine

11-16-2006, 02:40 PM

Don't do this OOP. If you were in position on him, then it would be OK (raise size should be a bit bigger).

As it is, just c/c flop, c/f turn if you don't improve.

Playing this preflop out of the blinds vs a PFR can also get you in trouble so beware.

Dismas

11-16-2006, 02:51 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($25.35)
BB ($35.40)
UTG ($21.75)
MP ($12.10)
CO ($24.90)
Button ($37.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.15, 1 fold, MP folds.

Flop: ($3) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $3.

Is my raise a bad bluff or a strong bet? I figured maybe I can get him off AQ or 88, something like that.
What do you think of his call? What should I put him on now?
What do you do if the turn is a blank?

Thanks guys, I'll post the results of this one after a few responses if anyones interested

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Why did you call this raise preflop? Did you think your hand was better then his range? Do you think you can out play him post flop out of position?

What were you hoping to flop?

Would this hand have been easier to play if you 3 bet preflop?

Hellmouth

11-16-2006, 03:13 PM

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His raise was pot sized. 3+2=5

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No, his raise was $3 over the origional $2. Thats why villian only had to call $3.

I would definately make it at least $8 to go if I wanted villian to fold. A pot sized raise would be $7 right? (or am I wrong). That would add a raise of $5 to the origional $2 bet.

Greg

CaptVimes

11-16-2006, 03:21 PM

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His raise was pot sized. 3+2=5

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No, he called 2 and raised 3, giving villan 3.33 to 1 to call if he is drawing if my maths is correct. If his total action had been $7 (call 2, and raise 5) then the pots odds are reduced to 2.4 to 1 which is significant if villian is drawing. This is what is meant by a pot sized raise.

Hellmouth

11-16-2006, 03:24 PM

thanks for the corroberation.

Greg

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His raise was pot sized. 3+2=5

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No, he called 2 and raised 3, giving villan 3.33 to 1 to call if he is drawing if my maths is correct. If his total action had been $7 (call 2, and raise 5) then the pots odds are reduced to 2.4 to 1 which is significant if villian is drawing. This is what is meant by a pot sized raise.

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evagaba

11-16-2006, 03:26 PM

Fold Pre-flop. Don't play common dominated hands OOP.

As played call flop hoping to catch your $.

AliasMrJones

11-16-2006, 03:28 PM

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His raise was pot sized. 3+2=5

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Pot size raise would be:

Calling the $2 flop bet makes the pot $3 + his 2 + your $2 call = $7. You raise $7 more making your total bet $9. Raising pot would be to $9.

FWIW, I fold preflop.

CaptVimes

11-16-2006, 03:46 PM

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His raise was pot sized. 3+2=5

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Pot size raise would be:

Calling the $2 flop bet makes the pot $3 + his 2 + your $2 call = $7. You raise $7 more making your total bet $9. Raising pot would be to $9.

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whoops, forgot to add my own call money into the pot, thanks for the correction MrJones

acidca

11-16-2006, 05:12 PM

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FWIW, I fold preflop.

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I raise here and sometimes fold. I think a call is pretty bad.

orange

11-16-2006, 05:18 PM

I really don't understand all the hate for the c/r. Whats so awful about it?

Hands we might c/r on this board are generally super strong ones or air. I think its good to have a nice mix so you don't stay too predictable. Now, metagame/balance don't matter as much at uNL, but as you move up, you'll want to mix things up a bit.

In this particular spot, I probably would c/c the flop. I'm not despising this c/r as much as others though, and I think its an okay line to take.

Big Poppa Smurf

11-16-2006, 05:42 PM

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I really don't understand all the hate for the c/r. Whats so awful about it?

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i think the issue is not the c/r itself, but how small it is

ajmargarine

11-16-2006, 05:50 PM

b3b ai > c/r /images/graemlins/smile.gif

FiReSiStAnT

11-16-2006, 08:12 PM

Thanks for your input guys
I raised as much as I did because I put 5 dollars of my own money in to win a pot with 5 dollars in it already. I figure he folds to this raise 1 outta every 2 times so that gets me to even.

For some reason he just called my c/r with AJ and the turn came with the A, needless to say I got him all in.

Tell me what you think about my thought and tell me what you think of him just callign my raise...