KK completely lost on monoflop against complete donk

[EricW]

Guy is really donky and unpredictable. I have 800 hands on him he's 65/40 flop AF of 3.4, turn AF of 2.6, river AF of 3.6. He check raises the turn 3.8% of the time.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $9.70
Button: $47.75
SB: $90.20
Hero: $53.25

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif
2 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 7/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($5, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($11, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $22</font>, Hero calls.

River: 2/images/graemlins/club.gif ($55, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $62.7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $25.75</font>.
Uncalled bets: $36.95 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $106.5

[Sir Winalot]

More on flop, more on turn, 3-bet AI as on turn as played.

[EricW]

ya I was thinking that it probably would have been better to all in all turn.

Just wanted to check on thinking process for that though, do I do that because I have a draw to the 2nd nut flush and I still most likely have the best hand?

Say if I didn't have the draw to the 2nd nut flush, I could consider checking the turn to keep the pot small right?

[TyFuji]

push turn certainly to get max value from a draw. If you're going to the felt on most rivers, you might as well just get it in and force him to make an unprofitable call if he's drawing.

And in regards to your question about pot size, I don't think this is the place for pot control because of the coordinated board. If you didn't have the draw, I think you still 3-bet shove the turn to protect your hand as well as for the same reasons you do WITH the flush draw..

[EricW]

on 2nd thought, if I didn't have a draw to the 2nd nut flush, would checking the turn even be a good idea? On one hand, I want to protect my hand because of the draw heavy board, but on the other than, I only have an over pair to such a dangerous board. Please help on thought process!

[Check_The_Nuts]

I thought check turn&gt;&gt;bet turn also. I think he'll play predictably on the river (he won't go for a second check raise with a monster). Betting the turn lets him manipulate the pot size easier for his big hands vs weak hands. If he led out on the turn I don't think you'd raise. The fact you have the Kc makes me like checking the turn more than betting.