NL50: Facing a river min-raise with the nut flush on a paired board.

[chesspain]

Bodog full-table. I have nearly a full stack, and my opponent has almost twice as much. No solid read, although he seems fairly decent--meaning, I haven't seen him do anything stupid. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Preflop: BB posts $0.50. chesspain is SB with A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, chesspain calls $0.50, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
Everyone checks.

Turn: ($2.50) 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
<font color="red">chesspain bets $2.5</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $2.50.

River: ($7.50) 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
<font color="red">chesspain bets $7</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, chesspain...

1) Calls?
2) Reraises and folds to a four-bet?
3) Reraises and calls up to any amount?

[kaz2107]

i probably just call on the end. i dont think he will call with much worse then a boat here if u reraise. maybe A4 or queen high flush. i think without a read tho a call is in order here but i might b to weak tight

[degenrat]

we are really only concerned with pocket 7s and pocket 8s right? those are the only reasonable holdings here. nmaybe a straight(56) but less likely given a river raise. maybe a JQd type hand?

I don't knwo what hands can call a raise here. i think a call minimizes losses and i believe your porfits to be peaked already.


i think i just call.

[kaz2107]

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we are really only concerned with pocket 7s and pocket 8s right? those are the only reasonable holdings here. nmaybe a straight(56) but less likely given a river raise. maybe a JQd type hand?

I don't knwo what hands can call a raise here. i think a call minimizes losses and i believe your porfits to be peaked already.


i think i just call.

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ehhh i think we should b worried bout lots of combos for boats in a limped pot imo

[degenrat]

same end result though right? a call not a reraise.

[Bonesy]

I think I would raise here. Villain may call with trip 4 hands and weaker flushes and the straight. I would make it $28, if he pushes then you have a decision getting 3.5 to 1 I believe. I guess you could be behind 77,88 and KK but what a strange way to play any of these.

[pascal1221]

Just Call.

But this could be player dependant. What have you noticed of his play so far? Is he a chaser? Does he protect made hands?

Most players would re-raise on the turn with a made hand---like a set or trips. But the board just paired, and he might have improved to a boat (7's full of 4's), so there are many good reasons why he would JUST CALL. (Don't immdediately assume he is on a flush draw either)


I would have bet half the pot on the river for value, and then make a decision---an easier decision---after a re-raise.

Just call. Don't pop it.

[HBomb]

Reraise all in obv.

[HBomb]

Joking aside, I agree with earlier post... call river on the idea that your profit, if any, has already been maximized. Reraising may cost you more, if not he may fold anyway.

[pokerchap]

definitley not a RR AI. call.

[Phytopath]

Just call here, sure he may have trips or a weaker flush. But in an unraised pot he could easily have 84 or K4. Min raises are rarely pure bluffs and there is nothing wrong with being cautious here.

[Vern]

I call expecting no worse hand to call a 3bet. But then you have called me weak/tight before so take my answer for what it is worth /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[kaz2107]

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same end result though right? a call not a reraise.

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yea i still call. i just wanted to point out that more then just the pps making boats is possible since it was limped pre.

[EMc]

I think a worse flush is calling a 3 bet here tbh. However, I also just call here.

[kaz2107]

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I think a worse flush is calling a 3 bet here tbh. However, I also just call here.

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u think A4 or even Q4 call?

[chesspain]

In the heat of the moment, I only called. Yet, I couldn't help but feel weak-tight, especially given the rather unlikely possibility that this "decent" player (minimal read, I know) would have a hand like KK, 77, K4, 44, 74. In fact, the only better hand that makes any sense to me is 88, whereas there are many more worse hands he could have--and at least some of those (A4, Q4, lower Bdwy flush, etc.) may call a reraise.

Anyway, my opponent showed Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, and MHIG,