Can u get away from this hand? I could not!

[MattsTheMan]

Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10./$0.25.
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1.8, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $4.8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $17.2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $32.4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $24.4</font>.
Uncalled bets: $24.4 returned to Hero.

Can u get away from this hand? I could not! Vilain is pretty solid one of the most solid players ive seen on these stakes.

Comments?

[Everlong]

You have a monster draw. I think getting it in on the flop is fine. I wouldn't want to get away.

[Vern]

I don't 3bet the flop c/r. I like my hand, but am not sure it is the best but I have two strong draws and position, all the c/r on the flop and see the turn.

[DiCkO]

Get it in. Im guessing he hit his set, but you have many outs.

[blackize]

It looks like the stacks are too big to get it in on the flop here. If I'm not mistaken you each have ~150BBs. You're a bit behind on the flop if we narrow his range to JJ,99,77 and a little worse off if we add in T8s

I'd probably call his flop raise and reevaluate on the turn.

[MortenTA]

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It looks like the stacks are too big to get it in on the flop here. If I'm not mistaken you each have ~150BBs. You're a bit behind on the flop if we narrow his range to JJ,99,77 and a little worse off if we add in T8s

I'd probably call his flop raise and reevaluate on the turn.

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[MattsTheMan]

This brings up another topic. The diffrent ways to approach this hand. Get it in all on the flop versus call an reevalute on the turn.

I dont know how you Guys calculate outs and it would be very intresting to know. I will try to explain if its possible.

When i Am on turn The flop outs is history. Lets say I have 14 outs on the flop to make the best hand.

Flush + Inside straight draw + top set
I should be favorite to win the hand by 51%

But if i deside to only call and hit a blanco on turn lets say Spade 2 is the turn card. If villain desides to make a huge bet or go all in I have only 14 outs from turn to river that should be about 32% to make the best hand.

The point is when I am on turn the way I see it the outs I had on flop is only history and from turn to river I have only 32% chance to make the best hand.

I never considered to fold this hand thats why i want to get it all in on flop and if turn is a blanco and vilain desides to make a huge bet I have to fold a Hand that i likely was favorite in on flop and i dont want that to happen!?

Comments abouts this?

-Matts

[blackize]

If the villain is as solid as you say he is, you are not a favorite here. A very solid villain isn't felting anything but a set, made straight or a huge draw here. If you add AhKh and AhQh its 55/42 in his favor. Im not a huge fan of stacking off here.

You're right that if you call the flop and he makes a sizeable bet on the turn you can't call on your draw, but I'm also not a fan of getting all in against a villain with a very narrow range against which we are at best a coinflip.

[TyFuji]

I agree with calling the c/r. This is at the low end of the "monster draw" category, especially since your jacks and tens are surely bad outs. You're getting good odds to see a turn, so just call and see what comes off. If it bricks and he bets strong, you will have to make a decision, but I don't like getting it in on the flop with zero fold equity.

Another advantage of just seeing a turn is that lots of villains say "C/R C/R C/R gogogo" and might give you a chance to see a free river.

Note that if this was a typical uNL player, getting it in would be fine, but since this guy is apparently so solid, his range is tiny and it cuts off some of your outs.

[MattsTheMan]

Ty for the responses, Well you can ofcause argue how solid a player is at these stakes real solid players play in way higher stakes........

Anyway he had 10 8o so he flopped the nutz.