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Vern
11-13-2006, 02:29 AM
Villain is a loose fish 58/10/1 after ~100 hands
The other cast members for full hand critique:
CO is a calling station
Btn is on his first orbit, nothing yet
SB is a LAG

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $21.50
CO: $5.38
Button: $4.06
SB: $2.06
BB: $5.13

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($0.85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $0.1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.1</font>, BB calls.

Turn: J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3.05, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $3.63</font>, Hero ????

This is where I had touble again. Does a normally passive post flop player double donk into me with a draw or hand I can beat with the right odds? I am getting 1.8:1 on one card with 0 implied odds.

I may have 9 heart outs, 6 straight outs and 3 overcards and 2 T's. 20 outs total, 46:20 against or 2.3:1. However, I generally discount the heart outs by 1 for every 2 away from the ace my high card is, so I count 8. I cut my straight outs in half to 3 because of I was using one card, and the clubs were not clean. I counted my Q and T outs as 3, so in reality I think I only have ~14 outs so I am more than likely ~4:1 if behind and not even getting half that. So I need for him to be drawing or on a worse hand about 2/3rd of the time so I think a fold is appropraite here. I struggled with it during hand review so thought I would post it.

As always, criticism of any part of the hand is welcome.

PietM
11-13-2006, 03:00 AM
I would fold this OOP preflop.

Your raise on the flop is fine.

I think I would call his turn-bet. Somehow I don't give too much credit to shortstacks pushing all-in. You have a ton of outs, even against a made straight (except when villain has KQ).

orange
11-13-2006, 03:01 AM
I would call the turn.

Vern
11-13-2006, 03:29 AM
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I would fold this OOP preflop.

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Thanks for the response, but I thought I was tight until I read your first line. /images/graemlins/smile.gif What hands would you raise with in this position against those opponents or do the opponents make you decide to fold here?

luckychewy
11-13-2006, 03:44 AM
this line is fine, call the turn. well played.