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stokken
11-12-2006, 06:39 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($106.15)
SB ($50.45)
BB ($48.30)
UTG ($54.75)
MP ($56.20)
Hero ($194.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif.
2 folds[/i], Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero bets $3.5, Button calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.75) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks,Button bets $11, Hero calls $11.I dont get this bet. Can I call this and not call river?

River: ($33.75) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9, Button raises to $89.65, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $132.40

I suck, comments appreciated

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 06:43 PM
bet/fold turn ... youve got to represent the 9.. if he re-raises you there, you know you are beat and its safe to get out ... otherwise u cost yourself too much by check calling turn and playing river for stacks ...

if he doesnt have the 9 he will undoubtedly fold to your turn bet.

toomuchforu
11-12-2006, 06:58 PM
what's with the lame river lead? This explains to him, given your check call on the turn, that you don't have a nine and probably not a 2 given the action. If you were trying to block you should have bet a little more, and still folded to the raise, but this bet is inducing a lot of bluffs that you can't call. He could have been playing A smaller PP than yours the whole time sure, but now you have put yourself in a situation where you will be raised frequently if the play is half decent and you can't make the call. I would bet/fold the turn, and given the play c/f or maybe c/c the river if it is weak enough

kyleparks
11-12-2006, 06:58 PM
missed flush or straight draw. why would he bet the pot on the turn with a set? to protect agianst the flush that you most likely are not drawing to? well, of course it all depends on reads, but with no reads im calling.

Oh, and im not leading the river. If he does in fact have a flush//straight draw he can only win by betting, so i C/C river.

Dilznoofus
11-12-2006, 07:02 PM
I saw this hand. Had villain gotten out of line at all this session? If not I think river is an easy fold.

As far as the turn bet goes, yes you can call it and fold the river because villain will check down many river cards with hands worse than yours. So you can call turn and evaluate the river based on his action.

I think you should consider how unlikely it is that villain, who I had as a tight player, would put in more than 150bbs on the river as a bluff raise. He's either a genius or an idiot if he's doing that as a bluff.

gimmetheloot
11-12-2006, 07:04 PM
bet 9 on turn, fold to raise, make modest river bet, fold to raise.

Dilznoofus
11-12-2006, 07:05 PM
BTW I would check/call the turn as you did and check river and call a small bet or probably fold to a big one. I don't like block bets against decent players, and he seemed to be one.

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 07:06 PM
trust me on this one ... check call turn is recipe for disaster

Dilznoofus
11-12-2006, 07:09 PM
That depends a lot on the villain. In general I disagree. And I definitely don't get representing trips when we have AA.

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 07:13 PM
its because the hand he was representing w/ a call just pulled ahead of us ... however we really arent sure that he is ahead of us ...

so we bet to find out ...

the 2nd 9 hitting killed any action we were going to get from weaker hands and pulled the hands we were previously beating ahead of us ...

Dilznoofus
11-12-2006, 07:25 PM
I don't think much of betting for information, which is what you're advocating. A good player will move you off your hand so easily if you play this way. Plus you lose any opportunity to snap off a bluff.

On second thought I think maybe a turn bet would still be good here, but not for the reasons you suggest. A tight player may have TT JJ QQ here enough of the time to justify betting for value/protecting from a flush draw.

Edit to add: TT/JJ/QQ + draws obviously.