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VorShot
11-12-2006, 06:14 PM
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.35
VorShot: $12.55
CO: $10.25
Button: $5.45
SB: $5.90
BB: $11.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) VorShot is UTG+1 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">VorShot raises to $0.45</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1.8, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1.8</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">VorShot raises to $4</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds.
<font color="blue"> What SHOULD I have raised...because i think with the UTG caller, he had odds to call my raise. (OOPS!) </font>

Turn: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($11.6, 2 players)
BB checks, VorShot checks.
<font color="blue"> Damnit...bastard just flushed on me...please let me boat up. </font>

River: Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($11.6, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $7.1</font>, VorShot calls $7.1 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $18.7)</font>.
<font color="blue"> Niiiiice. </font>

Results:
Final pot: $25.8
<font color="#ffffff">BB showed 6d Ad</font>
<font color="#ffffff">VorShot showed 8h 8c</font>

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 06:17 PM
fold river ... everything else is fine

VorShot
11-12-2006, 06:18 PM
Fold with a house?
Umm, no i don't fold a house there any day.

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 06:19 PM
lolz .. oops ... u played it perfect ... didnt realize board paired on river

VorShot
11-12-2006, 06:26 PM
What i'm worried about, did i give BB odds to draw to the flush?

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 06:29 PM
u mean on the flop ... well it was 3.20 to call your bet .. and the pot was 7.60 ... u gave him a little over 2-1 ...he is well over 3-1 to hit his hand

Vern
11-12-2006, 06:31 PM
I am playing this fast especially with an aggressor and call. There is 5.4 in the pot, 7.2 after you call, so you raised 2.2 into a 7.2 pot. I personally Pot it, so I would raise to $9 on the flop. Due to the stack sizes, this means you are pushing on the flop.

VorShot
11-12-2006, 06:32 PM
Whoops! i did mean the flop.

Marshall28
11-12-2006, 06:33 PM
lolz i cant add

VorShot
11-12-2006, 06:47 PM
So i didn't give odds, and i should have shoved?

Vern
11-12-2006, 07:12 PM
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So i didn't give odds, and i should have shoved?

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You gave 7.2:2.2 odds or 3.27:1 odds which is not enough outright odds, but youhave put about half your stack in now, so he can just about be sure if he hits the turn he can get your whole stack and will have implied odds to cover what he loses on the flop call. Pushing gives him ~1.8:1 odds when you are a 3:1 favorite to win the hand if he does have two diamonds.

Edit: Also, he is 2.16:1 to get the flush by the river, so calling your flop push would be an incorrect play on his part.

orange
11-12-2006, 07:20 PM
This looks good.

gimmetheloot
11-12-2006, 08:12 PM
Orange, would you think a slightly larger raise (~5.5) would be better since it commits them both on any turn?

VorShot
11-13-2006, 12:48 AM
Next time, pot size bet, and once i see that a pot size bet would have left me almost nothing behind, this is a clear push.

Thanks.

matv
11-13-2006, 01:21 AM
I raise to about 6-7 on flop and push turn even when the diamond falls.

orange
11-13-2006, 01:57 AM
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Orange, would you think a slightly larger raise (~5.5) would be better since it commits them both on any turn?

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yeah, a PSR would probably be best. makes good for turn shoving typically.