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EkL

11-12-2006, 05:52 AM

Reads:
Villian 1 is the typical loose opponent at these levels, but I don't know if he'll bet a draw. stats = 45/8/1

Villian 2 unknown, as he just sat down pretty recently.

if memory serves, my stats are: 30/20/5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG =#A500AF(Villian1)/ ($8.25)
UTG+1 ($1.70)
MP1 ($9.15)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($10)
CO =#A500AF(Villian2)/ ($9.80)
Hero ($15.55)
SB ($10.55)
BB ($9.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif.
UTG =#A500AF(Villian1)/ calls $0.10, [color=#666666]4 folds, CO =#A500AF(Villian2)/ calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Villian1 bets $0.3, [color=#CC3333]Villian2 raises to $0.9, Hero ???

They both represent strength, so I don't know if I should fold, call, re-raise again or just push at this point as I technically have 15 outs. How worried am I that my outs may be (probably/most likely) tainted? How is my decision affected by the fact that Villian1 has another chance to act and possibly reraise?

DeuceSeven

11-12-2006, 06:02 AM

Easy fold. You don't want to call .90 then get raised.

Sir Winalot

11-12-2006, 06:04 AM

You have a monster draw, get as much money in on the flop as you can. I would re-raise to 3 and see what happens.

DeuceSeven

11-12-2006, 06:09 AM

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You have a monster draw, get as much money in on the flop as you can. I would re-raise to 3 and see what happens.

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What if our diamonds aren't outs? I don't mind 3 betting headsup but we've seen a bet and a raise.

Hell, never mind I'm drunk. I'm done giving advice.

Forget my first post. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

avfletch

11-12-2006, 06:20 AM

Villain 1 is passive so not betting a draw and villain 2 is highly unlikely to raise with a draw with players to act behind him.

If villain 1 is capable of/likely to raise again I'd call and then get it in otherwise I'm popping this up.

EkL

11-12-2006, 09:42 PM

At the time, I did NOT think Villain 1 was going to reraise if I just called... yet, I made the wrong move and just called instead of 3-betting it. Here's what happened next:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG =#A500AF(Villain 1)/ ($8.25)
UTG+1 ($1.70)
MP1 ($9.15)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($10)
CO =#A500AF(Villain 2)/ ($9.80)
Hero ($15.55)
SB ($10.55)
BB ($9.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif.
UTG =#A500AF(Villain 1)/ calls $0.10, [color=#666666]4 folds, CO =#A500AF(Villain 2)/ calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Villain 1 bets $0.3, [color=#CC3333]Villain 2 raises to $0.9,

Hero calls $0.90, SB folds, BB folds, [color=#CC3333]Villain 1 raises to $1.5, [color=#CC3333]Villain 2 raises to $3, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???

I'm assuming the correct play is to abort? Do I assume that if I call, then Villian 1 is probably going to shove? Or do I like what's going on since I have a monster draw and go to the felt and assume both Villians are going to go with me?

Edit: If I sound like a noob, it's because I am. I'm horrible at playing draws /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Panthro

11-12-2006, 09:54 PM

tough spot. If you had the nut flush draw, shoving here with all that dead money and the possibility of two donks following you all in would be +EV. However, with a 7 high, 9 of your possible 15 outs may not be clean (someone may have a higher flush draw).

As played, this is definately (re)raise/fold decision.