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EricW

11-11-2006, 03:34 AM

Ugh, please help me play top 2 pair on flop. I have about 170 hands on this guy and he's 30/7. Flop AF is 3.25, turn AF is 3, river AF is 4.00.

After his re-raise, do I call or reraise again? How's the rest of the hand?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.75
UTG+1: $64.15
CO: $35.70
Button: $52.45
SB: $73.20
Hero: $53.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($2, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, UTG+1 raises to $9, Hero calls.

Turn: 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($20, 2 players)
Hero bets $11, UTG+1 calls.

River: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif ($42, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Results:
Final pot: $42

ticks

11-11-2006, 05:29 AM

I dont like the flop cr, it could easily be checked through and a heart would kill your action.
Just bet out.
No draws got there so I bet all streets.
Did you check to induce a bluff on the river?
In this spot I'd rather bet to get value from a J.

EricW

11-11-2006, 05:36 AM

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I dont like the flop cr, it could easily be checked through and a heart would kill your action.
Just bet out.
No draws got there so I bet all streets.
Did you check to induce a bluff on the river?
In this spot I'd rather bet to get value from a J.

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You're definately right about betting the river. If he had a set or whatever, he would have raised the turn. I missed a clear value bet on the river.

The thing is about the flop, I don't like betting out in EP because if I bet out 2, then I find that that leads to too many people calling especially with the flush draw on board. I rather check raise because the players in the pot were quite aggro.

ticks

11-11-2006, 05:45 AM

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I rather check raise because the players in the pot were quite aggro.

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You would rather bet out if they are quite aggro.
Very often they will raise you with a draw or top pair.

carnivalhobo

11-11-2006, 05:50 AM

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I rather check raise because the players in the pot were quite aggro.

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You would rather bet out if they are quite aggro.
Very often they will raise you with a draw or top pair.

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your thinking is a bit wrong IMO, if they are agressive that means they are betting with a wider range than they are calling/raising with. So let them bet, then win the pot right there with a c.r or potentially build a big pot with a strong hand. I wouldnt be averse to getting it AI on this board with top 2.

id probably still lead here, but if there was a maniacal person in LP i wouldnt mind check raising. it just isnt something i do very often in limped pots.

ticks

11-11-2006, 06:59 AM

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I wouldnt be averse to getting it AI on this board with top 2.

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You are saying you almost never checkraise, unless there is a maniac still to act behind you.
Hey, I agree.
You also say you dont mind getting it in here.
I agree again.

I dont think there is a maniac in this hand,
and the best way to get it all in is b/3b.
Nothing kills the action like a cr IMO (which is why I like to cr bluff).