What stats do you display on your PAHUD, and how do you arrange them?

[Colombo]

I've seen people briefly discuss this topic before, including a thread in the software forums (which was kinda ridiculous). I just think it would be a good idea to see how other uNLers display their PAHUD. Right now I have mine set to default, so I have nothing to offer because it's still on default, but i'll likely be updating it after this thread.

[thac]

My layout looks like this:

VP$IP--------WtSD
PFR----------W$SD
CBet---------Total AGG
FoldCBet
FoldTurnBet


All in a little box above/below each player. I'd post a screenshot but I'm hella lazy.

[carnivalhobo]

................folds to cbet
vpip.................................pfr

agg..................................hands

...............PlayernameBox
...................wtsd

[Pokey]

Start with the trinity: VPIP, PFR, and TA. That is....

Voluntarily Put Money Into the Pot: the fundamental indicator of a player's preflop looseness, and one of the best gauges of a player's hand range. At uNL, you want your opponents' VPIPs to be as large as possible. The more hands they play, the worse they are, and the more money you'll make against them.

Preflop Raise: the fraction of the time that the opponent raises preflop. This number indicates how you will have to adjust to this opponent preflop. First off, if it is incredibly small you need not worry about this opponent raising you off a speculative hand. If the players left to act all have miniscule PFRs, you can limp with extremely speculative hands and expect to see very cheap flops, giving you marvelous implied odds. Take advantage of it. However, if an opponent with a PFR of 2% makes a raise preflop, you can fold most of your speculative hands without worrying. (NOTE: if you're going to be heads-up against a full-stacked opponent with a PFR of under 4% who raises to 4 or 5 BBs, you can very safely call with ANY pocket pair on implied odds alone, because if you hit your set, you'll stack your opponent VERY frequently. The tiny PFR tells you much about their holdings, and most of these opponents will commit a full stack to the pot with a hand that is powerful enough to convince them to raise preflop.)

Total Aggression: the best overall indicator of how aggressive this opponent will be postflop. Preflop play and postflop play are two different channels, and you should not expect a player to be either passive in both or aggressive in both. There are players who are highly aggressive preflop but turn into calling stations postflop, and there are sluggish limpers preflop who go hyper-psycho postflop when they hit a hand. If you see an opponent with an incredibly large total aggression rating, you will probably have to play passively against this opponent if you hit a solid hand, letting them do the betting for you. NOTE WELL: players with a very large total aggression come in two fundamentally different flavors -- the ultra-weaktighties and the maniacs. An ultra-weaktighty is someone whose aggression is high because he folds whenever anybody else bets and he doesn't have the nuts. A maniac is someone whose aggression is high because he bets and raises with any random crap. If you can tell these two apart, you will make MUCH more money. (Hint: look at the kinds of hands that they show down. If they're reaching showdown infrequently and always with a monster, they're probably ultra-weaktight. If they're losing most of their hands at showdown, they're probably maniacal.)

Beyond the trinity, here are the stats on my HUD:

Folds to Continuation Bet: probably the next-most useful statistic in my HUD, and one that I rely on VERY heavily in making decisions. The more often a player folds to c-bets, the more likely I am to (a) raise preflop with them in the hand and (b) bet into them when I miss the flop. I see no reason to c-bet at someone who never folds to c-bets; instead, I'll wait for a real hand and then hammer the opponent. Alternatively, if an opponent folds to c-bets 60% of the time or more, I'll use my position mercilessly, raising against them VERY often and stealing pot after pot after pot on the flop with a sturdy bet.

Attempted to Steal the Blinds: very handy for figuring out whether an opponent is positionally aware. From CO and Button, I treat this number as the person's PFR%, and I adjust my behavior accordingly. Also, if the person's steal percentage is markedly larger than their PFR, I assume the person has more of a clue about how to play the game, and I give them a bit more respect when they go to war. I also figure that I've got much more folding equity against them in general, since savvy players are less likely to be calling stations and more likely to be capable of folding a decent hand.

Folded Big/Small Blind to a Steal: another basic indicator of hand strength. If the person folds to steals all the time, then I know that when they call a raise from the blinds they've actually got a hand. If the person is a habitual blind defender, I can assume they have crap even if they call a sizeable preflop raise. Combined with the Fold to C-Bet percentage, these numbers tell me whether stealing against an opponent will likely be profitable or not.

Went to Showdown Percentage: the larger this number, the more of a calling station the opponent is. There is no "magic number" here that tells me an opponent will be profitable or unprofitable; rather, this number tells me how I should start to adjust to this villain. Against an opponent with a big WSD%, I value bet lighter and bluff much less often. Against an opponent with a very low WSD%, I value bet much less often and bluff much more frequently.

Won Money At Showdown: another very useful statistic, this is a rough measure of an opponent's postflop skill. The larger this number is, the more likely a villain is to have the goods when we reach a showdown. It helps me decide how lightly I can value-bet an opponent, and it helps me decide how lightly I can call an opponent down. It helps me sort good LAGs from bad LAGs, nits from TAGs, and maniacs from smart but aggressive opponents. If an opponent's W$SD is extremely high, I consider them weak tight and bluff frequently. I also shrink the size of my bets, knowing that it won't take much to push villain off his hand. If an opponent's W$SD is extremely low, I value bet with all sorts of crap, expecting my opponent to call me down. I also raise the size of my value bets, fully expecting to get paid off even if I push hard.

Total Hands: an incredibly important number, this tells you how much trust you can put in all the other numbers in your HUD. At about 50, numbers like VPIP and PFR start to be meaningful. At about 10,000/VPIP you can start to rely on total aggression (e.g., 200 hands for a player with a VPIP of 50, but 500 hands for a player with a VPIP of 20). W$SD doesn't really lock up for several thousand hands, so treat it with a grain of salt, but WtSD becomes meaningful noticeably faster.

Beyond these numbers, I also keep up six numbers about ME: VPIP, PFR, total aggression, attempted to steal, folded to c-bets, and hands. PAHUD keeps track of these numbers separately table-by-table, so you get an at-a-glance look at how you've been playing at a particular table, which will help you identify your table image among a particular set of opponents. When my VPIP is large, I know I'm looking donkish. When my PFR is large, I know I'm going to get less respect from my preflop raises. When my TA is large, I know I'm a 2+2er. When my steal attempts get too frequent, I start to lose folding equity and need to play it a bit more cautiously. If I'm folding too often to c-bets, some opponents may start making moves on me on the flop. Staying aware of these numbers keeps me adjusting properly to the ever-evolving table conditions.

The last thing I always have on my HUD is the showdown information. By having the board and the hands for every opponent included in the HUD, I don't have to constantly open up the hand history just to see what my opponents had. It helps me to judge how they are playing, and that's vitally important information for any winning player.

One more point: I have basically every piece of information that PAHUD can display included in the pop-up screens. That way, if someone makes a strong move at me, I have instant access to everything I could need to know. How often do they win when they check-raise the turn? How often do they cold-call preflop? How often do they raise continuation bets? How often do they win when they see a flop? How often do they check-raise the river? You never know when one of those random factoids could wind up saving you a stack, and since it costs you nothing to have that information included (no clutter, since it's only in the popup), you might as well give yourself access to it.

I hope this helps.

[dashman]

An ass ton......
I have 3 c-bets in this order
Call cbet, raise cbet, fold cbet
Then I have
vp$, pfr, Cbets(how often the player does)
and on the side I have that players clasification(call station/Lag/Tag/etc...)
I have all these set up around the stars name box and yes my screen is a picaso painting with all the [censored] up.

[dashman]

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An ass ton......
I have 3 c-bets in this order
Call cbet, raise cbet, fold cbet
Then I have
vp$, pfr, Cbets(how often the player does)
and on the side I have that players clasification(call station/Lag/Tag/etc...)
I have all these set up around the stars name box and yes my screen is a picaso painting with all the [censored] up.


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I also forgot my stats I have displayed on the table
Pfr, Vol$, Cbet% and AGF

[slimbob]

Pokey

Again a very helpful post. Thank you very much!

I have 2 questions:

1. You mentioned 9 stats. Do you see all 9 stats on the display or do you use the popupscreen for some of these stats?

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The last thing I always have on my HUD is the showdown information. By having the board and the hands for every opponent included in the HUD, I don't have to constantly open up the hand history just to see what my opponents had.

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I have Pokerace HUD and I can see the showdown hand of villain also a moment later after the showdown without looking at the hand history. I dont understand how do you include the hands for all opponents in the HUD. What HUD do you use?

slimbob

[abarrenfuture]

Am I the only one who likes the call PFR stat? /images/graemlins/confused.gif Otherwise Pokey did a good job as always breaking it down.

[Wotsmycode]

Im currently using this layout(from pokerace website) http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/isucksomuch/layout.jpg
but Im gonna have to downsize the s h i t a little coz its giving me headache!


I have a combined stats for contbet/folds cont bet/raises cont bet aswell LOL

[ QUOTE ]
I've seen people briefly discuss this topic before, including a thread in the software forums (which was kinda ridiculous). I just think it would be a good idea to see how other uNLers display their PAHUD. Right now I have mine set to default, so I have nothing to offer because it's still on default, but i'll likely be updating it after this thread.

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[Pokey]

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1. You mentioned 9 stats. Do you see all 9 stats on the display or do you use the popupscreen for some of these stats?


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http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7057/pokeyhudjq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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2. I have Pokerace HUD and I can see the showdown hand of villain also a moment later after the showdown without looking at the hand history. I dont understand how do you include the hands for all opponents in the HUD. What HUD do you use?


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It's the same HUD, but that's a feature that you can turn on or off. Also, I have repaced the image hand history with the text hand history; it seems to be less resource-intensive, and FT + PT + PAHUD tends to be something of a resource hog, so I'm happy to do away with it.

[checkmate36]

I use GT+ and may purchase PAHUD. Where do you find the stat folds to CB in PT?

Thanks

[checkmate36]

So this is how you guys get in eleventy billion hands per month. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I can't believe I used GT+ for so long. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[AKQJ10]

Bump because I'm an idiot.

I'm trying the free 30-day trial version of PAHUD at the moment. Can I get the CB-related stats on here?

Due diligence: I read the PAHUD tutorial for Full Tilt. If there's another tutorial I'm missing, please point the way.

[AKQJ10]

Bump for the daytime crowd, and because I'm really an idiot.

CB stats on the eval version?

[rael]

I'm really curious too.

For the last couple of months, I've been saying to myself "Gee, I wish I could have some hard stats around cbetting so I don't have to try and deduce them from notes and AF and WTD%".

I didn't even think to look for another application. I don't know why.

I'm going to have to check out PAHUD.

[Jouster777]

I don't know if the eval version is different but it should be the full version. If so:
Options=>layout manager=>
look for the pull down menu under "stat"=>
select the parameter you want =>
click the "visible" box and move the boxes for each seat to where you want them to display

click the "show mine" box if you want your own stats up there

[LateFlag]

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Bump for the daytime crowd, and because I'm really an idiot.

CB stats on the eval version?

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The CB stats should be right in there where you find the rest of the stats. If you can't find it with the others, then it's probably not available with the trial version.

Seriously, just splurge a little and buy the full thing. PAHUD is so much better than GT+ its not even funny.

[AKQJ10]

Muchísimas gracias.

The much smaller list of stats until Prefs -> General -> Table Average on List was confusing me. But come to think of it that makes sense that it'd be a pared down list as those are only for the table.

Anyway, now I can find all kinds of stats. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Route66]

Is there a PT stat for preflop re-raise%? Or is there a rule of thumb for figuring out a villain's PF 3 betting range from their PFR%?

Thanks.

[Sharukh10]

Bump would like to know the answer to Route's question.

Thanks.

[early325]

No, no statistic for pre-flop 3-bets.

[Miraculix]

Hi.

I´ve arranged my stats using the "combined stats" option in PT.
Comb stat1 = VP$IP/PFR/TA/Hands
Comb stat2 = Fold cont. bet/Fold to flop bet/Fold to turn bet
Comb stat3 = Cont. bet/Cont. bet turn/Won at showdown.

All other stats I have in the pop-up window.

// M

[losingdonkey]

Do you really need a PAHUD in microstakes? are you losing value without one?

[pena]

[ QUOTE ]
Do you really need a PAHUD in microstakes? are you losing value without one?

[/ QUOTE ]
I think it's very useful also in microstakes. I've found it useful.

[SpecT]

I only use the HUD mainly for table selection and preflop ranges. Hence i only have the main 4 ones. I think that a big problem that new players make is relying too heavily on their HUD for postflop decisions.

[21SuicideKing21]

I'm having a problem with my hud, and for some reason when I sit, all the stats are on the wrong people. I used to know how to fix it but I forgot.

[Vyse]

[ QUOTE ]
Do you really need a PAHUD in microstakes? are you losing value without one?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, makes it way easier to grind 8-10 tables

[kindergartencop]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm having a problem with my hud, and for some reason when I sit, all the stats are on the wrong people. I used to know how to fix it but I forgot.

[/ QUOTE ]

you need to go in your pokerace options and make sure you select your preferred seat for all size tables, then make sure you always sit in the same seat at 6 handed, 9 handed etc tables.

[Guruman]

pokey has an excellent post there, but there are lots of missing numbers that i'd love to see.

specifically:

cont bet%
-range for fish
-range for good player
-range for maniac

fold to cont bet %
-range for calling station
-range for good player
-range for rock

won$@sd:

-range for rock
-range for good player
-range for calling station

the reason would be because I color-code the range of the stats that I have up so that I'm looking less at numbers and more at generalities. This works as a kind of continuous filter that puts some numbers in perspective.

for example:
In most stats that I display i have 5 color bands,
dark grey for "super tight"
light grey for "probably too tight"
green for "good player"
orange for "probably too aggressive"
red for "total maniac"


the extreme colors are set up for really extreme stat ranges and really pop out at me when they show up, because my hud is set to not display stats until at least 80 hands - allowing the stats of a player to stabilize a bit before showing up. Also, when a see a player with a bunch of green numbers next to him I don't have to look at what the numbers even are to know that he knows wtf he's doing most of the time.

I recognize that stats are fluid and that players are capable of winning and losing with all kinds of diff stats. I'm really just looking for the general numeric guidelines that others see when they see the numbers on their opponents.

thx!

[corsakh]

This is what I use for Full Tilt

http://files-upload.com/372458/FT_6max.pah.html

[trukpoker]

I use VPip,PF raise,FLop AGG, Turn AGG RIver AGG. % win at showdown, % goto showdown, Calls con bet, raise conbet,

[Guruman]

bump 'cause I stil don't know.

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cont bet%
-range for fish
-range for good player
-range for maniac

fold to cont bet %
-range for calling station
-range for good player
-range for rock

won$@sd:

-range for rock
-range for good player
-range for calling station

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[Nogatsira]

# hands + icon
vpip/pf raise/AF
$ won