Tribeca Announcement

[Sniper]

Reposted in a seperate thread at Bluff's request...

TRIBECA NEWS ALERT
Tribeca Tables has withdrawn from the US market, it said in a statement this evening.
The decision comes after Tribeca held lengthy discussions with its attorneys about the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. The company will now focus on non-US markets.

Erik Ahlberg, newly-appointed president of Tribeca Tables, said: “We are now initiating this policy and will work closely with our customers to ensure as little harm as possible to their overall business.”

European managing director Steve Cook added that the company and its board had “taken a considerable amount of time to weigh up all the options and sought a great deal of legal and market advice. Sadly we have no alternative. We have concluded that it is the best way forward for the company.”

Tribeca’s two largest US-facing licencees are Doyle’s Room and Golden Palace. According to internet press reports Golden Palace has also decided to refuse taking casino bets from the US.

Tribeca said it would also not be taking bets from Israel and Hong Kong players and will make further announcements about its network in due course.

[BluffTHIS!]

Link?

[Wynton]

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Link?

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Please.

[sonofstev]

Damn. Doyle should head toward the same place that FullContact is going.

[CompatiblePoker]

Support just said they hadn't heard anything about this? Anyone have the source or was it an email?

[Sniper]

It was an email... I'll post a link as soon as the press release goes up on the Tribeca site... I get the impression that this is breaking news and the announcement was just made. I expect that this has not propogated down to support at any of the sites yet.

[CompatiblePoker]

Thanks for the heads up.

[MiltonFriedman]

It is accurate and has been independently confirmed:

http://www.egrmagazine.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?action=display&id=1584&section=3&keywo rd=

[Pokeraddict]

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It is accurate and has been independently confirmed:

http://www.egrmagazine.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?action=display&id=1584&section=3&keywo rd=

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It makes you register to read the story.

[MiltonFriedman]

So, register. It is free.

[Sniper]

fwiw, The story in the link is exactly the same as what I posted in OP.

[Sniper]

Affiliate comment on this in A/R (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8004046)

[krazyace5]

Why would they do this now? Terrible timing.

[MiltonFriedman]

I just put up a link because someone asked.

[Mr.JR]

Here's what they said to me in my chat transcript:

Hi, I am hearing that Tribeca, the poker network Doyle's Room uses, is dropping out of the US market. How will this affect my account, and bouns?

HostMarlene (14:30:46): You will not be affected, we will be issuing a statement in regards to that soon.

HostMarlene (14:31:45): everything will remain the same, we will not be affected by Tribecas desicion

[Sniper]

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I just put up a link because someone asked.

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I was responding to Addict, not you... Thanks for posting the link /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MiltonFriedman]

That post is not accurate at all. You may note that there is no immediate effective date for Tribeca's announcement and Doyles Room has not shut off US play.

[Pokeraddict]

My thought is also that Tain is US friendly and now ae merging with a site not US friendly. I wonder if we will lose 2 networks at once.

[Sniper]

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That post is not accurate at all. You may note that there is no immediate effective date for Tribeca's announcement and Doyles Room has not shut off US play.

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I posted in the A/R thread asking him if he received any info as an affiliate that we may not be aware of yet...

[Sniper]

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HostMarlene (14:30:46): You will not be affected, we will be issuing a statement in regards to that soon.

HostMarlene (14:31:45): everything will remain the same, we will not be affected by Tribecas desicion

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Not to add any more to the speculation, but... that "could" mean that Doyle's plans to change Networks.

[Adam Selene]

Another Tribeca licensee was told they have 6 months.

[Wynton]

The Director of Player Services - Trisch Salazar - has said that Doyle Brunson network (which I assume is identical to tribeca) has only (or will only) cut off players from Washington and Louisiana, because of regulations in those states.

Info provided by a person affiliated with Victory Poker, a skin: Link is
here. (http://www.victorypoker.net/ipb/index.php?showtopic=8511&hl=)


But I think it is entirely possible she doesn't know the real story.

[StellarWind]

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The Director of Player Services - Trisch Salazar - has said that Doyle Brunson network (which I assume is identical to tribeca) has only (or will only) cut off players from Washington and Louisiana, because of regulations in those states.

Info provided by a person affiliated with Victory Poker, a skin: Link is
here. (http://www.victorypoker.net/ipb/index.php?showtopic=8511&hl=)


But I think it is entirely possible she doesn't know the real story.

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I'm not exactly sure how many rooms are in DBPN but I believe it is much less than all of Tribeca.

The Victory link is by registration only. Could you summarize?

[Wynton]

Is that true that Doyle's Room has fewer rooms than Tribeca? I've played at Doyle's Room and Victory Poker (another skin), and never realized I was not playing at all of tribeca.

Anyway, the post at the Victory Forum was from a guy who has some role at the tribeca skin, Victory Poker. He sent an email to the Director of Player Services, after I alerted him to this thread. He did not give her all the info, but merely asked whether the rumor was true that Tribeca was pulling out of US. This was her entire email response:

"It’s all under control…the only things we shut down were access to WA and LA because of state regulations in those two states, and advise from our attorneys.

Other than that, we are business as usual

Trish Salazar

Director of Player Services

The Doyle Brunson Poker Network"

[Sniper]

My opinion... I think it is likely that we scooped the skins on this one... and should give it a couple of days to get thru the skins communications channels...

[BluffTHIS!]

Scooped Cardplayer too. They don't have any info on this on their news page. Once again CP is shown not really to be the "go to" source for all things poker /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[Pokeraddict]

Wynton - his makes sense because there was a post from a player that got an email saying he was in Louisiana and could not play anymore. He actually got it by mistake but the email came out this morning.

[Self Made]

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Is that true that Doyle's Room has fewer rooms than Tribeca? I've played at Doyle's Room and Victory Poker (another skin), and never realized I was not playing at all of tribeca.

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There's only one network using Tribeca software.

[MegaRakeback]

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My opinion... I think it is likely that we scooped the skins on this one... and should give it a couple of days to get thru the skins communications channels...

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I'm very sure you scooped the skins. I talked to Doyle's shortly after this was posted and they were asking me for info. I am trying to get more and will post it if I hear anything. I doubt I will hear anything more today though.

[rurollin]

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Support just said they hadn't heard anything about this? Anyone have the source or was it an email?

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This is what support just told me, but they have been known to bs you..

[rurollin]

Support told me there not closing the doors to ALL USA residents but just residents of these States: Illinos, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Jesrsey, New York, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington, and Wisconsin..

This was given to me from support at Golden Palace Poker...

[schlucky1]

I live in WA. This sucks.




Dear Player,

Due to legislation in the state of Washington targeting online gaming, we are no longer able to accept players from your state. We must therefore regretfully inform you that effective immediately we can no longer accept deposits to your account. You may continue to play your balance until November 30th at which time all real money game play will also be suspended. You will be able to withdraw your funds any time before or after November 30th.

Please note that the Doyle Brunson Poker Network is committed to continuing service within the United States. However, recent legal opinion received has prompted DBPN to at this time withdraw from certain states.

Withdrawals may be requested by logging into the poker client and issuing a withdrawal request in the cashier. After November 30th, you will no longer be able to play for real money on our site. If you wish to play for fun, that option will still be available to you using the same Screen Name and Password.


If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact our accounting department.

Email : accounting@dbpn.com
Phone : 888-762-4192 option 5

The DBPN Management

[Adam Selene]

Yeah, but that's old news, people reported getting messages a few days ago (at least Washington and Louisiana residents). So what and how is this related today's (unconfirmed) announcement?

[sonofstev]

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Scooped Cardplayer too. They don't have any info on this on their news page. Once again CP is shown not really to be the "go to" source for all things poker /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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B-but Cardplayer's the biggest poker media in the world! (sarcastic).

[dibbs]

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Another Tribeca licensee was told they have 6 months.

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Source on this? Looks like a small glimmer of hope for at least a few months.

Thanks.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Is that true that Doyle's Room has fewer rooms than Tribeca? I've played at Doyle's Room and Victory Poker (another skin), and never realized I was not playing at all of tribeca.

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There's only one network using Tribeca software.

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yes but I believe that the Doyle network is "within" the Tribeca network. IE they all share the same players, but certain skins had some ownership sharing going on. didn't Pam anderson say her room was part of Doyle's network? They certainly couldn't call the whole network that.

[Wynton]

I would love to have this clarified. I've played at both Doyle's Room and Victory Poker, each of which are reportedly tribeca skins.

I am pretty certain that the player pool is identical for those two skins. On the other hand, I've always thought that the traffic at each of those sites was surprisingly low, considering that tribeca is ordinarily considered pretty big.

Maybe those two skins share the same players, but still not all of the tribeca tables?

[StellarWind]

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I would love to have this clarified. I've played at both Doyle's Room and Victory Poker, each of which are reportedly tribeca skins.

I am pretty certain that the player pool is identical for those two skins. On the other hand, I've always thought that the traffic at each of those sites was surprisingly low, considering that tribeca is ordinarily considered pretty big.

Maybe those two skins share the same players, but still not all of the tribeca tables?

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Somewhat whiny and not necessarily reliable but nevertheless interesting (http://loveableroguespoker.com/)

[Dotti]

News update from tribeca site:

http://www.tribecatables.com/tribeca_us_market_withdrawal.html

[SlickWilly]

Can't log into my doyles room affiliate account. Any chance of them trying to screw affilites out of their cash?

[caguma]

Dang...I don't play on Tribecca much, but I have been playing a lot on Tain recently, I hope they let us keep our accounts after the merger, however unlikely that may be.

[Self Made]

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I would love to have this clarified.... Maybe those two skins share the same players, but still not all of the tribeca tables?

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There's only one network running on Tribeca software. You can download rooms and confirm that if you feel the need to. Anyone who says there are multiple networks on Tribeca is using the word incorrectly. I'd call DBPN a master licensee, with various sublicensees.

No major poker software company runs multiple networks, except for Microgaming, which runs Microgaming Poker Network and Ladbrokes.

[WiSeIVIaN]

Chat with support, take this for what it is, but still very positive... Too lazy to erase my name, so if you enjoy knowing my tribeca username, more power to ya...

(16:44:10): Host 'Host-Vic' joined chat.
Host-Vic (16:44:13): Hi, welcome to our poker room. How can I help you?
slajnbtkwse (16:44:34): hello, one of the people on your support team just cut me off, which I don't apprectiate
Host-Vic (16:44:51): I apologize
Host-Vic (16:44:56): what can i do for you?
slajnbtkwse (16:44:56): but at any rate, are you aware that tribeca has made an announcement about withdrawing from the US market, and how does this affect doyles room?
slajnbtkwse (16:44:57): http://www.tribecatables.com/tribeca_us_market_withdrawal.html
slajnbtkwse (16:45:13): is the news link directly from tribeca
Host-Vic (16:45:29): Please allow me a moment.
slajnbtkwse (16:45:33): ok, thankyou
Host-Vic (16:46:37): okay I just spoke with my supervisor
Host-Vic (16:46:50): we actually wont be affected by this
Host-Vic (16:47:03): we will be sending out an eamil
Host-Vic (16:47:07): email*
slajnbtkwse (16:47:17): thats great, thank you
Host-Vic (16:47:27): You're welcome!

[Wynton]

Alright, explain this to me. The source is here. (http://www.pokerroomreview.com/).

Tribeca to Pull Out of US Market 11/10/2006 04:05 PM
It has been confirmed that Tribeca Tables Poker Network will no longer be accepting Players from the US. No date has thus far been given for when this will go into effect. PokerRoomReview has received information from a source in the upper echelon at DoylesRoom.com, who confirmed this information as well as stating Doyles Room will remain open to US players, with the exception of the previously reported exclusions for those residing in Louisiana and Washington. We will provide an official statement as soon as it becomes available.

How will Doyle's Room operate without tribeca? Will other skins be joining DR?

[Sniper]

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How will Doyle's Room operate without tribeca? Will other skins be joining DR?


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It appears that Tribeca will give Doyle's Room some time to find another Network... "No date has thus far been given for when this will go into effect."

The official announcement on the Tribeca site included the following statement... "Players do not need to worry as the transition will take several months to implement."

[StellarWind]

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How will Doyle's Room operate without tribeca? Will other skins be joining DR?

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I think you may have this backwards /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

How will Tribeca operate without:

1. Doyles Room (including many non-U.S players).

2. Many other skins that want to keep their U.S. customers likely including virutally all of the DBPN subnetwork. Again many non-U.S. players will be swept along.

3. All the U.S. players on the rest of the network.

4. Many non-U.S. players who switch to Doyles Room (or another "U.S." skin) because they want to play with the Americans for various reasons.

Essentially Tribeca stands to lose all of their U.S. players and many of their non-U.S. players too. That's potentially far worse than anything that has happened to any of the other networks or rooms that have pulled out.

In a few months we could look around and see that "Tribeca" is the new Tain and Doyles Room and its allies are the new Tribeca.

As for the real Tain, most of those rooms are already non-U.S. Their discomfort may be one of the drivers of this pullout. It's likely that Eurolinx and a couple others will throw in with Doyle and the rest will happily join the cleansed Tribeca network.

[Viscount]

Playtech announce acquisition of Tribeca network.

http://www.playtech.com/html/main.php?page=41&id=110

'Following Tribeca's decision to block certain territories, including the US, the entire Tribeca network will cease its operations in six months from the date of the agreement, by which time the migration of the online poker operators to Playtech's platform is planned to be complete.'

[daveymck]

So tain and Tribeca all merge in with playtech, is going to be a pretty big network? Will it be bigger than party is now?

A shame VC was where I started out and have been running off a bonus there, tables seem pretty soft.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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So tain and Tribeca all merge in with playtech, is going to be a pretty big network?

A shame VC was where I started out and have been running off a bonus there, tables seem pretty soft.

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yes, they'll be big - #4. this is assuming there is not a lot of overlap between their existing player bases, and they don't lose a lot a lot of players in the 2 upcoming conversion. They will still be behind Party, so I don't see how they can make the claim of being the "#1 Non-US poker network". that reminds me of Absolute Poker claiming they were in the top 5.

[daveymck]

And I guess Doyles room will have to find a new home, makes the weekends developments fit into place now.

[StellarWind]

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And I guess Doyles room will have to find a new home, makes the weekends developments fit into place now.

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Probably a lot of Tribeca skins need a new software platform. Wonder where they can find one?

In an unrelated development Tribeca will no longer be using their software platform.

[AAAA]

more from egreviewmagazine...


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Zmora added that the opportunity with Tribeca was a matter of “liquidity”, adding that he thought there would be more merger and acquisition opportunities ahead.

It is not known what the US-facing licensees will do next, though it has been confirmed that operators such as DoylesRoom, Golden Palace and USBet were not part of the deal.


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[WiSeIVIaN]

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more from egreviewmagazine...


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Zmora added that the opportunity with Tribeca was a matter of “liquidity”, adding that he thought there would be more merger and acquisition opportunities ahead.

It is not known what the US-facing licensees will do next, though it has been confirmed that operators such as DoylesRoom, Golden Palace and USBet were not part of the deal.


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Does this set up the posibility of doylesroom/GP staying on a seperate network still using tribeca software, or is it rather more likely they need to shop to find a new software provider?

[Sniper]

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Does this set up the posibility of doylesroom/GP staying on a seperate network still using tribeca software, or is it rather more likely they need to shop to find a new software provider?


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Well playtech does now own 3 software platforms, it would seem a possibility that they might sell off 1 platform's software. However, there is no indication that is what is happening... stay tuned!

[BluffTHIS!]

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Does this set up the posibility of doylesroom/GP staying on a seperate network still using tribeca software, or is it rather more likely they need to shop to find a new software provider?


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Well playtech does now own 3 software platforms, it would seem a possibility that they might sell off 1 platform's software. However, there is no indication that is what is happening... stay tuned!

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If a large grocery store chain vacates a property they own, they wouldn't often rent it to another smaller chain. So they may just not want to enable competitors.

Where is TruePokerCEO? Has he been approaching any of these skins of Tribeca or other networks to join his?

[Sk00l4m3nts]

So any clue of where DoylesRoom might be headed?

[WiSeIVIaN]

The new UB/absolute is a fair possibility, or maybe on the new network FCP is making. Besides that nothing really fits. Stars/fulltilt/bodog are skinfree. Microgaming is too unstable to seem to fit the dbpn's strict reliability, not to mention it bans certain states. Besides prima and the eventually merging UB/absolute theres no skin networks that still allow US players, so unless they go stand alone, their options are limited.

[Adam Selene]

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so I don't see how they can make the claim of being the "#1 Non-US poker network".

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They are claiming to be the largest non-US poker *network* -- Party Poker is not a network, it is a single-brand poker room.

[StellarWind]

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Does this set up the posibility of doylesroom/GP staying on a seperate network still using tribeca software, or is it rather more likely they need to shop to find a new software provider?

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Do we have any idea how the Tribeca player base is split among the various skins? My hunch is that the Doyle faction greatly outweighs the Playtech faction and that a new network using the Tribeca software and centered around Doyles Room would look very much like the current Tribeca.

My guess is the Doyle faction includes:

1. Doyles Room.

2. Golden Palace.

3. Most of the DBPN subnetwork.

4. Other miscellaneous Tribeca skins that are U.S. oriented or simply think staying with Doyle offers better business prospects. There should be a niche for being the Euro-friendly room on the Doyle network.

5. Eurolinx and possibly a few other small Tain rooms.

6. Many new U.S. signups who were booted by other Tribeca skins.

7. Some rest-of-the-world players who defect from the non-U.S. skins. The motivators here will be 1) U.S. fish, 2) LHE game selection, and 3) traffic levels during Western Hemisphere prime time. Serious Canadian players in particular could defect in droves.

[Sniper]

Stellar,

Based on the information that has been released, it sounds like Playtech negotiated with the skins prior to closing the deal. I would not expect any of the major non-US skins to leave.

It was confirmed that DoylesRoom, Golden Palace and USBet were not part of the deal.

fwiw, Tribeca and Tain both hit peak users during non-US peak hours.

[daveymck]

My feeling was always that VC was the main skin on the site.

[invisibleleadsoup]

stellar,

i don't know why you presume doyle's room must be so important to tribeca...

i've played on tribeca for the last few years,and the vast majority of players are european,of the three main cages,there's doylesroom,the newest,and then victor chandler and bluesquare,both of which are british bookmakers...

most of the tribeca skins are british based gambling sites.

[fatshaft]

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stellar,

i don't know why you presume doyle's room must be so important to tribeca...

i've played on tribeca for the last few years,and the vast majority of players are european,of the three main cages,there's doylesroom,the newest,and then victor chandler and bluesquare,both of which are british bookmakers...

most of the tribeca skins are british based gambling sites.

[/ QUOTE ]....and Paddy Power who are pretty big too. Golden Palace have their own cage but never provided the liquidity that their mnassive casino database would suggest they should have.

I would also doubt Doyles Room comes close to the VC or Paddy Power cages, not os sure Blue Sq is that big.

[Brice]

The Eurolinx GM has said on BW that they plan on staying open to Americans.

[Schuttwegraeumer]

Is there a big network that accept US player?
Or is it time to found such a network?

Doyles Room as standalone is a little bit small?
I think most player in the tribeca network are from VC and co?

[StellarWind]

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i don't know why you presume doyle's room must be so important to tribeca...

i've played on tribeca for the last few years,and the vast majority of players are european,of the three main cages,there's doylesroom,the newest,and then victor chandler and bluesquare,both of which are british bookmakers...

most of the tribeca skins are british based gambling sites.

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You may be right about this. Let me point to a few definite facts:

1. Tribeca has enjoyed a lot of growth since the UIGEA. Presumably most of that growth is from the U.S.

2. Tribeca has a lot of LHE traffic compared to other sites of comparable size. That's a clear sign of having a lot of Americans.

3. Traffic levels are strong during North American prime time and into the night.

Beyond this I admit I don't know. I guess we will see what happens.